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#1299959 - 04/22/09 03:13 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: CopperHead77]
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But whitetail I dont see that as a genetic effect which is what the original post is asking. I have been quite a few days this year that once the bird hit the ground not another word the rest of the day but that is just what happens sometimes, and sometimes it can be days or weeks for some i guess.

Just to be clear I could be very wrong as i have been before this is just my personal opinion.

I guess the real question would be IS gobbling to breed a GENETIC trait and would the species of turkey have a reason to associate gobbling with danger and evolve/adapt to not doing it anymore to allow the species to have a much higher survival rate? Throughout history the majority of animals that evolved from there normal traits did so to basically allow the species to survive, so would a turkey NOT gobbling allow such an impact that it would allow the species to survive at a much higher capacity? Granted there are exceptions to the evolution of animals and in some species the adaptation was small but the overall plan was to allow the animal to survive in a changing environment ie rattle snakes not rattling as mentioned before.

again just my .2cents
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#1300140 - 04/22/09 05:10 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: REN]
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 Originally Posted By: REN
TO ME it makes no sense. Rattle snakes yeah because it is a adaptation of survival but turkeys gobbling or not will not make a huge impact on survival so there is no real need to adapt

The snakes not rattling may be mother nature's way of survival for the rattle snakes but I doubt that the snakes are smart enough to say, hey if I rattle I will get killed. Same for the birds. The birds I kill, I'm sure the same is for about eveyone else, are the ones that gobble. If they don't gobble I really don't have anything to hunt, therefore leaving the non gobbling birds to survive. Now if this is the situation I'm not sure and I certainly hope not, but it does make a lot of sense. BTW a gobbler doesn't need to gobble to find hens. The hens will do enough talking themselves.


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#1300141 - 04/22/09 05:10 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: REN]
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I think peolpe are worrying to much about all of this.
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#1300144 - 04/22/09 05:13 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: bsl]
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 Originally Posted By: bsl
I think peolpe are worrying to much about all of this.
I'm defintely a bit concerned when I'm not hearing the gobbling and killing the birds like I use along with the rest of the state and the state says that our flock is ok. They blame our low harvest on weather conditions, but I hunt on many ideal days with little results and the sign I find in the woods seems to be much less than years before.
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#1300167 - 04/22/09 05:31 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: megalomaniac]
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 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac
C'mon down here to South MS and turkey hunt. You'll quickly realize that the birds just don't talk after flydown. Sure, you'll get a few gobbles on the roost and a courtesy gobble right after flydown, but that's it. It's extremely rare to call in a gobbling bird here. They almost always come in silent.

The reason? We've actually had a population of turkeys here that dates back to pre- white man. Although the population got low back in the early 1900's, they were never wiped out. Organized hunting for over 50 years. That many years of pressure I believe has resulted in the lack of gobbling.

Heck, it's so boring that I don't even hunt down here much. I'd much rather go back to TN where I can get a bird to respond at 10AM, 2PM, or even 4 PM.

EXACTLY MY POINT!!! Some folks, not directing this at anyone in particular, havent ever hunted the true stockings that GOD put here, not TWRA! Catoosa is one of the few examples of this around here. As far as I know, and Ive talked to some of the old guys that were there, Catoosa has never been stocked with transplant birds. Yes, they tried some of that stuff back in the 60's of releasing pen raised birds, but it failed miserably. The birds there are the ones God put there and theyve been hunted longer and harder than most anywhere else in the state and guess what???? One bird around here will gobble more on an average day than a Catoosa bird will gobble all season! On a rare occasion you will find one that the recessive gobbling gene has came out on, but on average they dont gobble! Turkeys dont HAVE to gobble to attract and mate with hens! I know that may come as a news flash to some, but its the truth.
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#1300263 - 04/22/09 06:53 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: Huntaholic]
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Huntaholic, I hope you are directing your post towards me. I have been fortunate to hunt turkeys in the areas which Tom Kelly writes about, and they gobble great when not henned up beyond recognition.

I will say that some parts of the SE birds gobble more then others, the valley birds here gobble like idiots, while the mtn birds are less vocal on average.
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#1300299 - 04/22/09 07:16 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: ghosthunter]
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 Originally Posted By: ghosthunter
 Originally Posted By: bsl
I think peolpe are worrying to much about all of this.
I'm defintely a bit concerned when I'm not hearing the gobbling and killing the birds like I use along with the rest of the state and the state says that our flock is ok. They blame our low harvest on weather conditions, but I hunt on many ideal days with little results and the sign I find in the woods seems to be much less than years before.



I think the bad hatch we had for several years has been why we have not killed and heard as many gobblers the last few years.I don't believe that hunters are changing turkey genetics .lol

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#1300307 - 04/22/09 07:19 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: ghosthunter]
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Interesting!!!

I dont know how to respond it could be??
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#1300401 - 04/22/09 08:23 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: spitndrum]
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LOL its all just food for thought anyway folks! \:\)
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#1300541 - 04/22/09 09:31 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: Huntaholic]
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Hunting pressure fellas, plain and simple... I'm tellin ya...
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