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#1299352 - 04/22/09 05:50 AM Depleting Gobbling Genetics???
ghosthunter
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I heard that down in Texas they use sticks to beat around rocks and such places to make rattle snakes rattle. Well, they've done that so much that they are actually depleting the genetic code of rattling, meaning that they are leaving the one's that don't rattle to breed. I guess you know where I'm going with this by now. Do yall think it's possible that we are deleting the gobbling genetics out of the flock. The ones that gobble get killed and the ones that don't are left to breed. Just a thought.
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#1299428 - 04/22/09 07:18 AM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: ghosthunter]
CopperHead77
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It's an interesting thought,don't know if that could happen,there are days when if the most closed mouth tom will gobble,as some point he'll want/need more hens and become vurneable at some point, the jakes that don't gobble that much,yes some gobble alot but some don't and if allowed to live each yr they'll be around to gobble.
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#1299438 - 04/22/09 07:26 AM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: ghosthunter]
Baxter83
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It sure as heck would make sense to me. I've only had one bird this year actually answer to a call. They'll shock gobble all day long, but not from calling. \:D
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#1299457 - 04/22/09 07:47 AM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: Baxter83]
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It's not just possible, it's actually happening. Now whether that is from selective evolution or just birds becoming more intelligent is debatable. But years of hunting will definetly result in birds becoming more quiet.

Think about it, remeber ever fishing a pond that had never been fished before? Heck, you could take a bare fishhook and just about catch anything in that pond. After a few trips, you'd have to actually use bait. After a few years, you're down to using flourocarbon line and the most realistic baits to catch the same number of fish. And fish have brains even smaller than turkeys.

Same thing has happened with whitetails. Back in the day, a whitetail never looked up in a tree. Now they'll pick you out of a treestand in a heartbeat. Animals adapt to evade predators, and we're the adult male turkey's biggest predator.

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#1299550 - 04/22/09 09:03 AM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: megalomaniac]
gil1
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Are we killing the dumb or unwary gene in turkeys and deer? I often worry if those that are hardest to kill are passing down those reclusive genes.
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#1299555 - 04/22/09 09:08 AM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: gil1]
bigdeer
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Now they'll pick you out of a treestand in a heartbeat just put a fake body made out of clothes they will get use to it lol
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#1299631 - 04/22/09 10:12 AM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: bigdeer]
CopperHead77
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I just can't see there ever being a time when turkeys just stop gobbling....it's what they do,it's how they attract hens,at some point that turkey will gobble.
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#1299696 - 04/22/09 11:11 AM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: CopperHead77]
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I dont see how it will happen. Comparing rattle snakes rattling and fish biting a hook is way different and really not on the same scale. 1 is for defense and the other is food to where they associate certain food or look of the food to danger.

Gobbling is part of a turkeys breading and natural sounds and they wont really associate gobbling to danger especially since the season is so short. In nature they gobble to get hens to come to them so if an ol boy isnt in a tree with some he will want some it is just part of breeding.

it would be like saying will deer stop grunting....just not really going to happen by hunting them over a month and a half season. Add to that the birds that are not hunted and roaming birds off property were the pressure is very low.
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#1299697 - 04/22/09 11:13 AM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: CopperHead77]
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Its the same as that mature buck. They are smart but will eventually slip up.
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#1299758 - 04/22/09 12:03 PM Re: Depleting Gobbling Genetics??? [Re: SALECREEKHUNTER]
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There are areas here where turkeys simply will not gobble. They are mainly isolated flocks that dont get much interaction with other turkeys other than what is right in their immediate vicinity. They dont have to gobble to attract hens, they know right where everyone is already. Theres several places Ive hunted like this for years and have never heard a peep out of them besides spittin and drummin.
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