Tndeer Logo

Page all of 6 12345>Last »
Topic Options
#1288158 - 04/13/09 06:45 PM Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter
FLIPPER
10 Point


Registered: 09/07/02
Posts: 4820
Loc: Niota, Tn

Offline
 Quote:
First Wildlife Officer Involved In Shooting In 25 Years


WILKES COUNTY, N.C. - State wildlife officials said a veteran officer who shot and killed a hunter in Wilkes County early Saturday morning near Cain Creek road on private property had been provoked and was acting in self-defense.

Wildlife Officer Mark Minton was patrolling the area for the first day of turkey hunting season when a confrontation occurred with a hunter, identified as 76-year-old Clyde Coffey.


Capt. Rusty Hunter with the North Carolina Wildlife Commission said the officer acted in self-defense when he shot and killed Coffey.

"There is no evidence to suggest the officer confused the hunter with an animal," Hunter said. "It appears, from all information gathered, the officer was protecting himself. And I don't know any further details than that."

Mark Minton is a 12-year veteran with the North Carolina Wildlife Commission.

Hunter said Minton was patrolling the area checking for bait traps, bag limits and hunting licenses.

Coffey's family members said Sunday they doubt Minton's claim that he was provoked. "He was taken from us and he was shot on his own land minding his own business. Who shoots a 76-year-old on his own land?" Coffey's daughter told WXII12 news.

"He was a family man who loved his family," she added. "They were the center of his world. This was totally senseless. He was the best father, and grandfather and great-grandfather."

Wildlife officials said this is no doubt a difficult time for its officer's and the victim's family.

"I just can't imagine being put in that situation as a law enforcement officer," Hunter said. "Every emotion you can think of as a supervisor of another wildlife officer, knowing that someone has been shot, whether it's an officer or a sportsman -- every emotion you can imagine you go through."

Minton is on administrative leave pending a State Bureau of Investigation inspection.


This is the first wildlife officer-involved shooting in almost 25 years.
_________________________
Why kill two birds with one stone when you can kill six with a shotgun?

Top
#1288162 - 04/13/09 06:48 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: FLIPPER]
TurkeyBurd Moderator
Woodpile Boys
10 Point


Registered: 12/30/08
Posts: 3025
Loc: Chapel Hill

Offline
That's out of control. Wow!!! Sad.
_________________________
' it ain't fair, I gotta WURK!' -Porkchop Jacobs

Top
#1288200 - 04/13/09 07:11 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: TurkeyBurd]
buckdead
8 Point


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 2275
Loc: southern middle tn

Offline
i dont know what to think about that. sad. \:\(

Edited by buckdead (04/13/09 07:12 PM)
_________________________
if your gonna be stupid you gotta be tough.

Top
#1288223 - 04/13/09 07:22 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: buckdead]
Tn Joe
6 Point


Registered: 05/26/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Sumner Co.

Offline
very sad
Top
#1288230 - 04/13/09 07:26 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: buckdead]
Grizzly Johnson Moderator
Team Grizzly
16 Point


Registered: 10/07/08
Posts: 15134
Loc: Tennessee

Offline
I would say they better do a complete investigation and see if it was a good shooting or not!!!
_________________________
But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Top
#1288233 - 04/13/09 07:27 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
RNT
Woodpile Boys
8 Point


Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 2030
Loc: Spring Hill, TN

Offline
good grief
_________________________
"I'm gonna fear God, love my neighbor, and hunt ducks. And we'll let the chips fall where they may"

Top
#1288248 - 04/13/09 07:36 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: Tn Joe]
Hillbilly Hunter
Killbilly
16 Point


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 17800
Loc: Branchville

Offline
Something doesn't sound right about this story....
_________________________
...they never call me by my name, just Hillbilly...


Top
#1288277 - 04/13/09 07:50 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
buckdead
8 Point


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 2275
Loc: southern middle tn

Offline
 Originally Posted By: Hillbilly Hunter
Something doesn't sound right about this story....


thats what i was thinkin when i read it.
_________________________
if your gonna be stupid you gotta be tough.

Top
#1288285 - 04/13/09 07:54 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: buckdead]
Anonymous TnDeer Old Timer
Unregistered



I cant believe this doesnt happen alot more. I have heard alot of guys in the county I hunt say they would kill the warden if they ever saw him on their land. Course nearly everyone there poaches and hates the warden because he is tough on poachers.
Top
#1288544 - 04/13/09 09:55 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: buckdead]
Buck Assassin
10 Point


Registered: 05/08/08
Posts: 2944
Loc: cocke county, TN

Offline
 Originally Posted By: buckdead
 Originally Posted By: Hillbilly Hunter
Something doesn't sound right about this story....


thats what i was thinkin when i read it.


Me too!

Sad \:\(
_________________________
Its not a passion,It's an obsession!

Round here we follow the motto "K.I.S.S" KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!


Top
#1288562 - 04/13/09 09:59 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: TurkeyBurd]
buckhorn40
Non-Typical


Registered: 07/03/06
Posts: 27628
Loc: Crossville

Offline
\:\(
_________________________



Top
#1288656 - 04/13/09 10:56 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: buckhorn40]
4onaside
12 Point


Registered: 02/07/06
Posts: 5115
Loc: Jackson,Tn

Offline
The question that I keep asking myself without an answer is how does a 76 year old man on his own land, as his daughter says, "minding his own business" provoke a CO? You would really have to know something of the CO's profile, whether or not he has a history of confrontational behavior.
_________________________

Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish proverb

Top
#1288661 - 04/13/09 11:03 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: ]
Grizzly Johnson Moderator
Team Grizzly
16 Point


Registered: 10/07/08
Posts: 15134
Loc: Tennessee

Offline
 Originally Posted By: bearclaw
Course nearly everyone there poaches and hates the warden because he is tough on poachers.


Maybe that fellow just didn't want any kind of law on his private property.....
_________________________
But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Top
#1288902 - 04/14/09 07:41 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: ]
CopperHead77
12 Point


Registered: 08/20/07
Posts: 6754
Loc: Hickman Co.

Offline
Strange story for sure.
_________________________
http://www.NoahTheMovie.com (This is not the Russell Crowe movie,this one is actually good).

Top
#1288993 - 04/14/09 08:52 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: CopperHead77]
FLIPPER
10 Point


Registered: 09/07/02
Posts: 4820
Loc: Niota, Tn

Offline
More of the story...

http://www.salisburypost.com/Area/041309-web-hunter-killed
_________________________
Why kill two birds with one stone when you can kill six with a shotgun?

Top
#1288998 - 04/14/09 08:54 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: CopperHead77]
IceMann
6 Point


Registered: 03/29/09
Posts: 888
Loc: East Tennessee

Offline
TWRA officer killing a man on his own private property is just not right ,I dont care what the situation is.Personaly I think TWRA has gotten to much power,and should not be able to even be own private property , any time of the day or night as they chose.I am a LEO and I cant even do that,so why should they
I know I will be chastised for speaking out about TWRA, But I know some real [watch your language] who just love to flaunt their authority, mostly the young ones...


Edited by green doe (04/15/09 09:03 AM)
_________________________
East Tennessee's SERIAL DEER KILLER...PartTime Wild Hog Terminator...
Attitude adjustments aren't always pretty, but they are always effective...

http://10thdtf.com/index.html

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us

Top
#1289016 - 04/14/09 09:06 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: ]
IceMann
6 Point


Registered: 03/29/09
Posts: 888
Loc: East Tennessee

Offline
I stand corrected on the mix up on the state, sorry I just got home and no sleep yet..but I stand firm on my opinions on the wildlife officers..
Seminole39,no need to be an [censored] to me,I made a mistake on the state,I am new here,this is just about my 3rd post I think, so back [deleted] off DUDE!


Edited by green doe (04/15/09 09:03 AM)
_________________________
East Tennessee's SERIAL DEER KILLER...PartTime Wild Hog Terminator...
Attitude adjustments aren't always pretty, but they are always effective...

http://10thdtf.com/index.html

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us

Top
#1289143 - 04/14/09 10:26 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: IceMann]
bigdeer
4 Point


Registered: 10/16/08
Posts: 428
Loc: tenn

Offline
agree with icemann they do strut there stuff alot. had run end to some my self and was doing nothin wrong and he was a jerk just like i had got caught doin something wrong,but not all of them r bad i have a friend that is one and he will say some do get out of hand just MO
Top
#1289167 - 04/14/09 10:36 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: bigdeer]
JCDEERMAN
14 Point


Registered: 07/19/08
Posts: 8401
Loc: NASHVILLE, TN

Offline
I agree IceMann and bigdeer. Some use their powers too much thinking they are all that. I think they might have a little too much power as well.
_________________________
Be nervous, but fear no one

In God we trust

God bless the USA!

Top
#1289186 - 04/14/09 10:42 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: bigdeer]
ibfishin
6 Point


Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 548
Loc: Flintville TN

Offline
I have ran across GWs that act alittle cocky but they always loosen up when they learn that I am doing things legal. It has to be a tough job knowing that most everyone you deal with has a gun. Never know when you are dealing with someone who has a problem with law enforcment in general.
Top
#1289188 - 04/14/09 10:43 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: Buck Assassin]
TeamMainStreet
8 Point


Registered: 08/30/07
Posts: 2019
Loc: Union County,Tn

Offline
"There is no evidence to suggest the officer confused the hunter with an animal,"


Now I dont know but why would a game warden making his rounds keeping the law in check be even remotely worried about wether it was an animal or not? If he was on duty he most definately wasnt hunting much less hunting on this guys property. Sound to me like a stake out gone wrong.
_________________________
The work is mighty hard out in the gravel yard. I'll never be a free man so they say

Dont tread on me



Top
#1289189 - 04/14/09 10:43 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: ]
bigdeer
4 Point


Registered: 10/16/08
Posts: 428
Loc: tenn

Offline
so r they but we dont shoot them just cuz they have a weapon.GW do a good job but alot of people use there power to the xtreme.i hate it for both families know one will ever know the truth bout a shooting except the person who got shot and the person that done the shooting
Top
#1289195 - 04/14/09 10:46 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: ]
TeamMainStreet
8 Point


Registered: 08/30/07
Posts: 2019
Loc: Union County,Tn

Offline
 Originally Posted By: Seminole39
Think about it this way, every person they come into contact with during hunting is armed. A GW has no idea what that person is thinking or if he or she has something to hide.


I will admit that when I was younger I was stopped, checked and written a warning on private property for not having on an orange vest during deer gun season before. The first thing the warden done was disarm me and unload my weapon. Could have been what happened and the guy probably didnt want to give up his gun.
_________________________
The work is mighty hard out in the gravel yard. I'll never be a free man so they say

Dont tread on me



Top
#1289231 - 04/14/09 11:15 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
Hillbilly Hunter
Killbilly
16 Point


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 17800
Loc: Branchville

Offline
 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: bearclaw
Course nearly everyone there poaches and hates the warden because he is tough on poachers.


Maybe that fellow just didn't want any kind of law on his private property.....



that is my bet
_________________________
...they never call me by my name, just Hillbilly...


Top
#1289382 - 04/14/09 12:44 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
pathfindr92
6 Point


Registered: 10/24/04
Posts: 957
Loc: Johnson City

Offline
I know a GW in VA who was threatened with bodily harm by 3 burly fisherman. He was just gonna write them tickets for not having licenses. They "werent getting no tickets." He ended up drawing his gun, and they wisely chose not to carry out their threats. The gun was the only thing they respected, not him or the law.

I know there are some just plain rude, cocky officers out there, GWs and LEOs alike. I've worked with them. There are also good, honest, and fair men and women patrolling our streets, keeping us safe, and ensuring safe, responsible behavior on our lakes and in the field. Not every officer is a hot-headed jerk.

Regardless of your views on the amount of power GW's wield, you cant overlook the fact that this officer was investigating a possible offense (baiting, read the web article), and as such had cause to be on the property. What happened afterward is unknown, but not everyone obeys the law, and not everyone has respect for authority. It seems much more likely than not that a veteran officer, who has no doubt had hundreds of interactions with hunters and fishermen, would only shoot an old man if he absolutely had to. That may not be the case, but I will be suprised if it isnt.

Either way, it is a tragedy for everyone involved.

Top
#1289394 - 04/14/09 12:49 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
encore06
16 Point


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 10539
Loc: Harrogate, TN

Offline
Too little info to do much speculating. Let's wait until the facts are in before judgement is passed. A 76 year old man can be as contrary and uncooperative as a 18 year old adolescent. By the same token, an officer of the law, albeit in any capacity, can be likewise. My thoughts and prayers are with both families.
_________________________
God Bless, Carl

Jer 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Top
#1289429 - 04/14/09 01:02 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: encore06]
REN
Good ol' Boys "Team Grizzly"
12 Point


Registered: 10/24/07
Posts: 5284
Loc: Wilson County, TN

Offline
there is NO reason a GW should not be allowed on private property to me. I dont know all the facts so I wont pass judgment on what happened but prayers for both families involved. It is a tough job that i assure you I would not take on.
_________________________
RollTide

John 3:16



Top
#1289631 - 04/14/09 03:23 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: FLIPPER]
spitndrum
Team TLBB Woodpile Boys
Non-Typical


Registered: 03/09/06
Posts: 51376
Loc: Cumberland Plateau

Offline
I don't know about that??? \:\(
_________________________
<(((< Bowfish or NO FISH!
SUPREME HUNTING OUTDOORS PRO STAFF

Top
#1289704 - 04/14/09 04:13 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: IceMann]
feisty red head
Mature Red Doe
12 Point


Registered: 05/04/99
Posts: 7141
Loc: Cumberland Plateau

Offline
 Originally Posted By: IceMann
I stand corrected on the mix up on the state, sorry I just got home and no sleep yet..but I stand firm on my opinions on the wildlife officers..
Seminole39,no need to be an [censored] to me,I made a mistake on the state,I am new here,this is just about my 3rd post I think, so back the f... off DUDE!



I am sorry but I htink you need to back off with your language you were spouting at the nouth and this is a family site so you really do not need to be calling people names. Thank you
_________________________
DOES RULE , BUCKS DROOL

Top
#1289725 - 04/14/09 04:22 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: feisty red head]
RUGER Administrator
Mouse Killa
Non-Typical


Registered: 11/19/99
Posts: 4105158
Loc: TN

Offline
First of all, just my personal take on all this.
Number one, there is VERY little information given in what articles I have read. VERY little.
Also, the bs snippet of "no reason to believe the gw mistook the man for an animal" is probably nothing more than a silly "reporter" not having a clue as to what is going on and popping off at the mouth.

Now for the flaming, bashing and name calling.
While I do acknowledge the fact that icemann did come back and
"stood corrected" on the mix up on the state, it was too little too late.
Getting "chastized" for a stand is not something that happens on here. What DOES happen on here is you get a warning for flaming, name calling etc on here. Consider your little warning served and when you are allowed to post on this site again I would suggest you remember it, IF you care to ever post on here again.
Simply, ABSOLUTELY no reason for your choice of language on this thread and it will not be tolerated, ever.
Thanks.


I would like to apologize to everyone that had to see this garbage, but I am choosing to leave it on here just so there is no misunderstanding as to why the account has been temporarily put on suspension pending permanent deletion.
_________________________
Youth is wasted on the young.

Top
#1289730 - 04/14/09 04:24 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: RUGER]
Tennessee Todd
Duffer
16 Point


Registered: 03/12/99
Posts: 12683
Loc: TuTu City, Tn

Offline
I think fiesty should be the first one banned if you ask me.....
_________________________
This Country might survive Obama but what we won't survive is the mindset that elected him.

Top
#1289758 - 04/14/09 04:38 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: Tennessee Todd]
RUGER Administrator
Mouse Killa
Non-Typical


Registered: 11/19/99
Posts: 4105158
Loc: TN

Offline
GREAT idea TT ! \:D
_________________________
Youth is wasted on the young.

Top
#1289889 - 04/14/09 05:48 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: RUGER]
Anonymous TnDeer Old Timer
Unregistered



My prayers to the family!
Only one of the two is alive to tell half of the true story.
God will pass final judgement. Put it in his hands.
Pray for the family for comfort, understanding, patience, and closure in their loss.

Top
#1290614 - 04/15/09 06:05 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: ]
FLIPPER
10 Point


Registered: 09/07/02
Posts: 4820
Loc: Niota, Tn

Offline


Clyde Coffey
_________________________
Why kill two birds with one stone when you can kill six with a shotgun?

Top
#1290617 - 04/15/09 06:09 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: FLIPPER]
FLIPPER
10 Point


Registered: 09/07/02
Posts: 4820
Loc: Niota, Tn

Offline
It is a sad situation, foul play or justified.

The one question I have is why "deadly" force was used?

It seems that the WO could have shot him somewhere besides in the chest and then disarmed him.
_________________________
Why kill two birds with one stone when you can kill six with a shotgun?

Top
#1290707 - 04/15/09 07:53 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: FLIPPER]
medwc
8 Point


Registered: 11/09/08
Posts: 1465
Loc: Clarksville, TN, hunt FCKY an...

Offline
 Originally Posted By: FLIPPER
It is a sad situation, foul play or justified.

The one question I have is why "deadly" force was used?

It seems that the WO could have shot him somewhere besides in the chest and then disarmed him.

This is a common thought when the bad-guy profile is not met. LEO, GW and such can't give a life or death threat 2nd or 3rd tries. I am sure it may seem like it a lot of times. But when someone has a gun on you and is threating your life. You can't just wound them and wait to see if they can still shot you. It doesn't work like that.

And not to sound harsh, I agree with you on "It is a sad situation, foul play or justified."


Edited by medwc (04/15/09 03:38 PM)

Top
#1290735 - 04/15/09 08:18 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: medwc]
RUGER Administrator
Mouse Killa
Non-Typical


Registered: 11/19/99
Posts: 4105158
Loc: TN

Offline
seminole,
I didn't and still don't think you added anything to this thread that would or SHOULD have lead to anything.
It's all good.
\:D
_________________________
Youth is wasted on the young.

Top
#1290736 - 04/15/09 08:18 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: RUGER]
RUGER Administrator
Mouse Killa
Non-Typical


Registered: 11/19/99
Posts: 4105158
Loc: TN

Offline
Thank you for the apology though, it is appreciated, but not needed.
_________________________
Youth is wasted on the young.

Top
#1290777 - 04/15/09 08:49 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: Tennessee Todd]
feisty red head
Mature Red Doe
12 Point


Registered: 05/04/99
Posts: 7141
Loc: Cumberland Plateau

Offline
 Originally Posted By: Tennessee Todd
I think fiesty should be the first one banned if you ask me.....

you will pay for that
_________________________
DOES RULE , BUCKS DROOL

Top
#1290778 - 04/15/09 08:50 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: RUGER]
feisty red head
Mature Red Doe
12 Point


Registered: 05/04/99
Posts: 7141
Loc: Cumberland Plateau

Offline
 Originally Posted By: RUGER
GREAT idea TT ! \:D


So will you
_________________________
DOES RULE , BUCKS DROOL

Top
#1290926 - 04/15/09 10:40 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: ]
Winchester
Non-Typical


Registered: 12/05/03
Posts: 27498
Loc: TN

Offline
Definitely not worth a life either way!
Top
#1291231 - 04/15/09 03:32 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: FLIPPER]
easy45
Non-Typical


Registered: 11/06/07
Posts: 29161
Loc: Chester County

Offline
 Originally Posted By: FLIPPER
It is a sad situation, foul play or justified.

The one question I have is why "deadly" force was used?

It seems that the WO could have shot him somewhere besides in the chest and then disarmed him.


All leo's are taught to shoot to kill, you never wound somebody on purpose
_________________________
Work to live, Live to hunt

Top
#1291293 - 04/15/09 04:23 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: medwc]
RUGER Administrator
Mouse Killa
Non-Typical


Registered: 11/19/99
Posts: 4105158
Loc: TN

Offline
 Originally Posted By: medwc
 Originally Posted By: FLIPPER
It is a sad situation, foul play or justified.

The one question I have is why "deadly" force was used?

It seems that the WO could have shot him somewhere besides in the chest and then disarmed him.

This is a common thought when the bad-guy profile is not met. LEO, GW and such can't give a life or death threat 2nd or 3rd tries. I am sure it may seem like it a lot of times. But when someone has a gun on you and is threating your life. You can't just wound them and wait to see if they can still shot you. It doesn't work like that.

And not to sound harsh, I agree with you on "It is a sad situation, foul play or justified."



Yep.
_________________________
Youth is wasted on the young.

Top
#1291328 - 04/15/09 04:47 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: easy45]
pathfindr92
6 Point


Registered: 10/24/04
Posts: 957
Loc: Johnson City

Offline
 Originally Posted By: easy45
 Originally Posted By: FLIPPER
It is a sad situation, foul play or justified.

The one question I have is why "deadly" force was used?

It seems that the WO could have shot him somewhere besides in the chest and then disarmed him.


All leo's are taught to shoot to kill, you never wound somebody on purpose



It is also illegal. It is called "malicious wounding." In a shooting situation, LE or civilian, you may only shoot to "stop the threat," which is accomplished by shooting at vital areas. As easy45 said, this is what LEOs are trained to do, and it is what is preached in self-defense classes across the country.

You will be sued (and you will lose) and possibly charged with a crime if you intentionally "shoot to wound." This also means you may not knock someone down and "finish them off" if they have been incapacitated.

Top
#1291380 - 04/15/09 05:32 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: pathfindr92]
FLIPPER
10 Point


Registered: 09/07/02
Posts: 4820
Loc: Niota, Tn

Offline
So if this guy feared for his life and saw it as a "life or death" situation, he doesn't have the right to protect himself or his property from a LEO or GW? And its illegal?

But Joe Blow can pull a gun on him and he DOES have the right to protect himself? And its legal?
_________________________
Why kill two birds with one stone when you can kill six with a shotgun?

Top
#1291880 - 04/15/09 09:41 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: buckdead]
ddgonehntn
6 Point


Registered: 11/19/08
Posts: 821
Loc: cocke county, tn.

Offline
 Originally Posted By: buckdead
 Originally Posted By: Hillbilly Hunter
Something doesn't sound right about this story....


thats what i was thinkin when i read it.

Ditto!
_________________________
As Jefferson warned about slavery, it is time we start ringing the "fire bell in the night."

If you're not laughing, You're not hunting hard enough!!

Top
#1292785 - 04/16/09 05:48 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: FLIPPER]
pathfindr92
6 Point


Registered: 10/24/04
Posts: 957
Loc: Johnson City

Offline
 Originally Posted By: FLIPPER
So if this guy feared for his life and saw it as a "life or death" situation, he doesn't have the right to protect himself or his property from a LEO or GW? And its illegal?


Only if the "average rational person" would see it the same way. He would have to convince 12 jurors that this GW was going to kill or seriously harm him without just cause. A bank robber is going to be "in fear for his life" if SWAT members are pointing guns at him, but he doesnt get to claim self-defense for shooting one of them because he is commiting a crime, and his actions and/or appearance (i.e. holding a gun, fitting the description of the armed robber) warrants SWAT officers to regard him as a threat.

When it comes to self-defense, private citizens and LEOs are under the same basic set of regulations. The difference is that LEOs during the legal performance of their duties, can do things that private citizens cannot, (i.e. kick your door in to arrest you) as long as they ID themselves as LEOs. You cant shoot a SWAT team operator that breaks into your house yelling "Police!" and claim self defense. In the same way, you cant shoot a GW tresspassing on your land b/c his job duties give him the right to inspect for game violations (love it or hate it, the law grants him that power).

You cannot use deadly force to defend property in TN. I think TX and a few other states allow it though.

I dont mean to be long-winded, just trying to explain everything so it's easier to understand.

Top
#1292834 - 04/16/09 06:30 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: pathfindr92]
ewc
8 Point


Registered: 02/01/02
Posts: 2245
Loc: Knoxville

Offline
If you believe you are in eminent danger, you can shoot someone who yells "police". A jury will decide your fate.

Having a badge and yelling "police", while busting down my door will get a few of us killed. Myself included most likely - FOR NO REASON.

Show your id to my attorney and call me first.

We'll then talk and sort things out.

Too many times, LEO could solve things by talking instead of being aggressive. This case is a prime example. Who needs to die over a wildlife violation? Bug out and catch him later. He's 76, he's not going far-

I don't do illegal stuff, therefore police do not visit my house. So bust down my door and I would feel like I was in eminent danger.

Yell "police" and I will still have that feeling.

Top
#1293229 - 04/16/09 10:38 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: ewc]
pathfindr92
6 Point


Registered: 10/24/04
Posts: 957
Loc: Johnson City

Offline
Im not saying you're wrong for feeling that way, I'm just telling you what the law says. And you are definately right, a jury will decide your fate if you shoot a cop in your house.

In some cases, you would win. Obviously, if you cannot identify the police as police, you cant be held liable. If you should have been able to see that they were police with uniforms and badges, and they told you so, you wont fare too well in court.

But remember, you arent a criminal. I dont see the police breaking down your door too often. I was referring more to the raid on a crack house where some guy shoots at the cops and tries to pull the self-defense story.

As far as talking things through instead of being aggressive, I agree with you. Its apparently "cool" to be a jerk for many officers these days, especially younger officers. However, there are times when you dont have the luxury of trying to talk things over. Maybe this GW was too aggressive and shot this old man without cause. Then again, and old man with a shotgun is still a man with a shotgun. Just because he's old, doesnt mean he's harmless. (Think about it: R. Lee Ermey is 65. He's old. He's still very deadly with a gun in his hand.) This old man may have pointed that gun at that officer and threatened him. I dont know, I wasnt there. I dont have enough evidence to make the determination of whether this GW did the right thing or not. I just know we should all hope that he did.

Top
#1293254 - 04/16/09 11:51 PM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: Buck Assassin]
SALECREEKHUNTER
8 Point


Registered: 08/19/08
Posts: 1089
Loc: Sale Creek (backwoods), TN

Offline
wow \:\(
_________________________
"There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory" Pale Rider

Top
#1293349 - 04/17/09 07:13 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: bigdeer]
ghosthunter
10 Point


Registered: 11/30/04
Posts: 3636
Loc: chattanooga

Offline
That's terrible.
_________________________
it's a long way to the top if ya wanna rock 'n' roll

Top
#1293416 - 04/17/09 08:30 AM Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills Turkey Hunter [Re: medwc]
bigorangmd
8 Point


Registered: 04/11/04
Posts: 1670
Loc: Oakland, Tn

Offline
Agreed. In a deadly force situation killing is only an unfortunate side effect. The idea is to neutralize the threat immediately. A shot that is not to the center of mass A) may miss B) May give the offender a chance to return fire. Anyone who kills a suspect has to carry guilt with them for the rest of their lives justifed or not but at the end of the day it's about going home to their wife and kids.
_________________________
If I had found deer hunting in high school, I'd never have gone to college!

Top
Page all of 6 12345>Last »


Moderator:  RUGER, Bobby G, Unicam, Cuttin Caller, CBU93, stretch, TurkeyBurd, Kimber45, Mrs.Unicam, Crappie Luck, Grizzly Johnson 
Hop to:
Top Posters
4105158
RUGER
86603
Deer Assassin
64982
BSK
60812
Crappie Luck
51376
spitndrum
Newest Members
bootsinsand, bigun714, clh200, tlwilliams, Forvols
13179 Registered Users
Who's Online
6 registered (Fearless, tn droptine, JN, Tony USMC, bigfoot318, bbuck14) and 55 anonymous users online.
Forum Stats
13179 Members
42 Forums
90926 Topics
1062483 Posts

Max Online: 788 @ 11/11/13 08:06 PM
Moon Phase
CURRENT MOON
August
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
Forum Donations
The TnDeer.Com Deer Talk Forum is for Tennessee Deer Hunters by Tennessee Deer Hunters. If you enjoy using our Talk Forum and would like to contribute to help in it's up-keep. Just submit your contribution by clicking on the DONATE button below and paying with PayPal or a major credit card. Any amount is much appreciated. Thanks for your support!

TN Burn Safe

Generated in 0.083 seconds in which 0.004 seconds were spent on a total of 14 queries. Zlib compression enabled.