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#1270127 - 03/31/09 03:36 PM Floating the Caney with 2 generators?
peleejosh
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Safe or not? 12' Jon with trolling and outboard?
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#1270192 - 03/31/09 04:15 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: peleejosh]
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I float it some with 2 generators in my 17 ft. boat & it can get harry. I wouldn't recommend it. One thing you have to remember about the Caney is the water temp. You go in & your in the fight for your life, literally, even with a life vest!!

Edited by RF270 (03/31/09 04:16 PM)

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#1270194 - 03/31/09 04:17 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: RF270]
peleejosh
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Secondary question --

What are options for fishing this weekend in the area. We have cabin @ edgar evins. Lake is def. scary in little jon.

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#1270383 - 03/31/09 06:24 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: peleejosh]
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very possible if you are experienced on the caney. we have done it but you must respect the river and be very careful!
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#1270473 - 03/31/09 07:03 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: waterman]
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 Originally Posted By: waterman
very possible if you are experienced on the caney. we have done it but you must respect the river and be very careful!


I totally agree. It's very doable in that boat. In fact, it covers up a lot of the blowdowns that are dangerous at one generator. In some ways it's safer. On the other hand, the force of that water can kill you pretty quick. Just be careful.

You can catch fish at 2 generators if you know what you're doing, but most (including me) don't do that well when they're pushing that much water.
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#1270861 - 03/31/09 09:32 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: peleejosh]
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 Originally Posted By: peleejosh
Secondary question --

What are options for fishing this weekend in the area. We have cabin @ edgar evins. Lake is def. scary in little jon.


your only option is to fish it. if you have a decent size motor youll be alright, its not that bad.
just use caution at all times...just be aware of where your at all times,specially around bridges
if yur not familiar with caney, launch at the dam. happy is ok,its got a little creek thats got no current. but bettys is difficult!!!fast current, water is almost to top of ramp. your boat will be in the current along with your trailer when launching, it can be done but bring yur waders.
btw...use big silverwares \:D
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#1270889 - 03/31/09 09:40 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: shorefisherman]
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make sure your motor and trolling motor will work when needed.
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#1271102 - 04/01/09 05:20 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: trealtree]
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Well, I am going to weigh in here. Unless you are experienced and very comfortable in a boat that size, it is dangerous. The Caney can be a mean river unless you know it and even then it can fool you. I have three decades of experience on the Caney and I would not be comfortable on the river with two gens running in a 12 foot boat unless all I was doing was going downstream.

Yes, you can fish the Caney in a 12 foot jon boat and small kicker. No, you can't fish it safely unless you are experienced in handling that boat, can read currents and know the river.

That's just my opinion.
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#1271125 - 04/01/09 06:07 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: bowriter]
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You could put in below the dam opposite the generators and fish out of the current safely.
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#1271152 - 04/01/09 06:41 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Well, I am going to weigh in here. Unless you are experienced and very comfortable in a boat that size, it is dangerous. The Caney can be a mean river unless you know it and even then it can fool you. I have three decades of experience on the Caney and I would not be comfortable on the river with two gens running in a 12 foot boat unless all I was doing was going downstream.

Yes, you can fish the Caney in a 12 foot jon boat and small kicker. No, you can't fish it safely unless you are experienced in handling that boat, can read currents and know the river.

That's just my opinion.


Ditto for me. I'm not that experienced on the Caney, but am on rivers in general. You margin of error is pretty small, especially this time of year while the water is very cold.

There should be a plate on the boat outlining the weight that can be safely carried. I suspect when you add up the weight of the outboard, gas, trolling motor and battery, fishing tackle, and a couple of people that you are going to be very close on the 12 footer unless it is extra wide. That will really reduce your freeboard and make you extra vulnerable to a mistake.

I might do it during the summer when a mistake just leads to getting wet and a tale. Right now it would be pretty serious. If you do chance it, please make sure the pfds are worn and not just carried.
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#1271188 - 04/01/09 07:22 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: scn]
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Good to hear someone making sense on here. A new to the river person in a fully loaded 12' jon with 2 or more gens is a recipe for disaster. You guys should consider who you might be talking to when you tell people itís safe. Maybe they just got the first boat and are taking the kids out on the first trip. If you have to ask if it's safe you don't have any business out there on 2 or more imo.


The lake is a much better option for you right now. Fish around Sligo marina, there should be some Bream starting to show up there. Also fish around Sligo bridge for spots and smallies, and the gravel banks close to that bridge for walleye. I hear the lake is fishing very well.


Edited by bob (04/01/09 07:37 AM)

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#1271292 - 04/01/09 08:41 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: bob]
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is there a ramp at sligo? if not where can i put in? Also, we have two other guys with a canoe, would that be safe around sligo?
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#1271321 - 04/01/09 09:06 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: peleejosh]
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Yes there is a ramp and charge a fee to use itÖ.

If you can find a creek near by to catch some crawfish do it. Hook the craws in the tail and go to the bridge and toss them at it. The idea is to let them sink a few feet and attach themselves to the bridge. The Bass will swim by and eat them off the bridge. Great fun when its on. If no craws try minnows around these areas.

The Bream are usually starting beds behind the restaurant on the dock. There are some really nice Bream in this area. Crickets work great fished on the bottom.

Get some crawler rigs with spinners and night crawlers. Go to the sligo bridge from the sligo ramp. The bank past the bridge on the left side is the kind of bank you want to fish and look for for Walleyes. Troll the crawler rig both ways on those kinds of banks. Sometimes Walleye will only hit a rig trolled in a certain direction. Take only enough fish that you plan to eat and have a good time.


Edited by bob (04/01/09 10:43 AM)

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#1271592 - 04/01/09 12:23 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: bob]
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I remember the first time I floated 2 gens. Biglures and me, first time we'd met. It was magical...

...he was through the rest of the 12 pack when I just finished my first beer, stumbling in the back like a new born giraffe. I was nervous too.

...here's the deal. Moving cold water is dangerous. Period. If you go in anywhere over your head, it doesn't matter if it's 6 inches over or 6 feet over...you're in trouble unless you have a preserver. Wear a lifevest and you might get cold, but as long as someone else is in the boat, you can get back in. Exercise caution as always, but...I will say this.

I went into an indepth narrative about why the 2 gen situation was significantly safer than the 1 gen as long as you aren't out there wirey as an alley cat and nervous from the start. The water is intimidating in depth, but the flow is really no faster, and because the water is HIGHER, it jumps the banks, instead of conforming to them, and creates this nice straight drift down the middle, no obstructions, and the few that may be present are easily avoidable, plus it makes for some GREAT shoals and eddies that are otherwise dry land. On one gen, the current is syphoned through the pressure of the dam and then flushed down the original banks, being thrown around and bullied by the bluffs and turns, and creating tumultuous currents that in turn do the same to your boat control. Boat control on 2 gens is much much easier, and plus, it's big fish time. I just heard from a guy who got about a dozen over 4 full days of straight floating recently with 12 over 5 pounds, the biggest being 8...rapalas and pop rs...

...BUT THE BIG BROWNS ARE ALL GONE *McCally Caulken face*

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#1271668 - 04/01/09 01:28 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: Tubakka]
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Ya, well I just talked to a guy who fished it for 80 days and 80 nights. He caught every trout in the river, every one, and grilled em all up with some bubba butter.

Then he exhumed Buck Perry and they went back to the now fishless river and Buck caught 1050 on 1049 consecutive casts. Amazing!

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#1271759 - 04/01/09 02:53 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: bob]
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Oh just give me a breast pump and leave me alone! Good Grief!!!
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#1272328 - 04/01/09 09:39 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Oh just give me a breast pump and leave me alone! Good Grief!!!

\:D \:D

forgot to mention average depth is 10-11 ft.
hey pelee, just go with your instinct. if you think you aint comfortable , dont go.
the cove above sligo area is good for whatever bob said, best fishin is to go up the lake, but plce is restricted this time to a single hook on whatever u throw!
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#1272491 - 04/01/09 11:15 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Well, I am going to weigh in here. Unless you are experienced and very comfortable in a boat that size, it is dangerous. The Caney can be a mean river unless you know it and even then it can fool you. I have three decades of experience on the Caney and I would not be comfortable on the river with two gens running in a 12 foot boat unless all I was doing was going downstream.

Yes, you can fish the Caney in a 12 foot jon boat and small kicker. No, you can't fish it safely unless you are experienced in handling that boat, can read currents and know the river.

That's just my opinion.



I cant believe it, but I'm gonna agree with bowriter.

There's no way I'd try that in a boat that small.

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#1272606 - 04/02/09 07:05 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Dawn Patrol
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Well, I am going to weigh in here. Unless you are experienced and very comfortable in a boat that size, it is dangerous. The Caney can be a mean river unless you know it and even then it can fool you. I have three decades of experience on the Caney and I would not be comfortable on the river with two gens running in a 12 foot boat unless all I was doing was going downstream.

Yes, you can fish the Caney in a 12 foot jon boat and small kicker. No, you can't fish it safely unless you are experienced in handling that boat, can read currents and know the river.

That's just my opinion.



I cant believe it, but I'm gonna agree with bowriter.

There's no way I'd try that in a boat that small.


I had a 12' jon, and I only used it on that river when there is no generation. I agree with bowriter and dawn patrol. I have nearly 4 decades of experience on the Caney Fork River and there is no way I would put th 12' jon on that river under those conditions Most 12' jons only have a 32" bottom and that is not enough stability for that kind of current. Trying to fish out of a 12 footer and control the boat at that kind of current will get you in serious trouble.

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#1272657 - 04/02/09 07:51 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: TNFishnstix]
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I have floated it many times with 1 gen in my boat. Just wanted some opinions on 2 gens. We will probably go to sligo and do the smallmouth thing. Someone mentioned only 1 hook. I thought that was on upper caney from rock island to Great Falls dam? Sligo area is normal lake regs, correct?
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#1272689 - 04/02/09 08:20 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: peleejosh]
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 Originally Posted By: peleejosh
I have floated it many times with 1 gen in my boat. Just wanted some opinions on 2 gens. We will probably go to sligo and do the smallmouth thing. Someone mentioned only 1 hook. I thought that was on upper caney from rock island to Great Falls dam? Sligo area is normal lake regs, correct?


Yes, that is correct.

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#1272718 - 04/02/09 08:49 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: TNFishnstix]
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Anyhow, yes, the ultimate goal is to be safe, but just because there is physically more water does not mean that it is more dangerous. One gen will kill you if you fall in just as easy as two. Ultimately do what's comfortable, but...don't be unnecessarily afraid of the water. As I recall, a guy drowned last year in no-flo.

Yeah, the single hook rule does only apply to the Rock Island area. But...I saw a guy take a 13 pound walleye out of there. Plus...well, go throw some storm swim shad around up there right now and just see what hits. I'm thinkin' of coming back just for that reason.





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#1272819 - 04/02/09 10:10 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: Tubakka]
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#1272944 - 04/02/09 12:21 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: bowriter]
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No flow, I've never seen that? As I recall they ran the sluice last year and that person drowned while wading a flat gravel shoal on falling water with the sluice pushing. Hardly no flow but clearly demonstrates how dangerous the river can be.
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#1275564 - 04/04/09 11:09 AM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: bob]
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OH...maybe it was sluice. My bad, I just knew the gens were off.
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#1275793 - 04/04/09 04:03 PM Re: Floating the Caney with 2 generators? [Re: Tubakka]
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Well, actually, the only sluice that is constant on the Caney is the sluice gate that was installed on August 4th last year, and it has a maximum of 250 cfs at full lake stage. They only ran with an open sluice gate when they had a generator on. That poor guy drowned just below the Happy Hollow boat ramp, about 300 yards downstream, where the river bottom has some fairly large rocks and deadfall trees on the bottom. There were 2 young men on the other side of the river fishing from the rock bank there that tried to get to him to save him but were too late. And yes the water was still in the "falling out" state and wasn't completely down so there was some flow as there usually is in that part of the river. That isn't a particularly good place to wade under those conditions.
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