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#1269506 - 03/31/09 09:03 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: ]
AlabamaSwamper
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Why would the premier trophy smallmouth lake in the world need fixing?

I'm also sure all these mule largemouths caught in Alabama and Mississippi are swimming from Tennessee.

G-R-A-S-S is the only reason and everyone but the TWRA knows that.


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#1269524 - 03/31/09 09:14 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
Swamper, the bass regs were necessary in this part of the world, as there is so many freaking tourneys that without them the bass fishery would be in serious trouble.


Wilson Lake is the most pressured lake on the TN river per acre. More tournaments and more recreational fishermen per acre.

4 or 5 years ago, they had to take the 15" limit off because it was killing the fishery. They couldn't shock big fish up. Hundreds of 13" and 14" fish but hardly any keepers. All this on the most pressured lake on the TN river system.

I read the other day they had one of the best if not the best weight averages in history on Wilson during their shocking survey done by TVA.

So no, length limits or "catch and release" aren't always the best thing.
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#1269639 - 03/31/09 10:27 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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The 12" limit is only on 2 lakes I think in MS, maybe 3 or 4 at the most. Biologically, those crappie populations in the flood control reservoirs (Sardis, Grenada, etc.) have really fast growth rates, really high harvest rates, and very inconsistent recruitment (fish entering the population). Those three things there are a recipe for a length limit.

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#1269844 - 03/31/09 12:40 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: ]
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From what I'm told by those in the profession, including one fishery biologist that is in TN, in the majority of TN lakes, it would take 6-8 years for a crappie to reach 12".

You want to end crappie fishing in TN, put a 12" limit on them. It would be a waiste of time to even pull your boat out there.

The only lakes in TN that might be able to handle it is KY lake, Reelfoot and a handful of oxbow lakes.


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#1269850 - 03/31/09 12:43 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
The bass fishing on Norris has improved since the slots went into place, but it could also be from the dwindling striper population as well.


Slot limits and simple length limits are two totally different things. Almost like buck limits and AR's.

Slot limits are usually pretty good.


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#1270591 - 03/31/09 08:04 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: BuckWild]
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 Originally Posted By: BuckWild
My thoughts on a 12 in minimum in the TN River.
Don't think it would help increase the overall size of the fish.
In my opinion, what has hurt the TN River fishery is the TN River itself. Way back when...when there was no size limit and no creel limit. We used to catch crappie by the hundreds, just about every time we fished there. We fished the areas from Hog Creek to the south all the way up to Springville on Big Sandy. Caught nice fish, big fish and lots of them. The main reason we stopped fishing on the TN River was because after the TomBigbee Waterway was opened, we noticed much greater fluctuations in the water levels on the river. I can remember rolling into Hog Creek, where we had a cabin, on a Friday afternoon and the water would be way back in the buck brush. Just perfect for spawning crappie. Next morning wake up and head for the ramp only to find they had dropped the water 6 feet. Now there had always been fluctuations in the water levels due to generating at the dam, but nothing like this. This was every fricking week. Crappie spawning in the shallow water just to have their eggs dry up and die once the water dropped. After 4 or 5 years of this cycle, we noticed a huge reduction in both size and amount of fish caught. All this started with the TNTom waterway being opened. Water had to be kept in that ditch to keep commercial barge traffic flowing. We gave up on the river and started fishing mainly MS River oxbows, like Open lake and Chisolm Lake and Cold Creek. We caught some of the biggest crappie we've ever caught out of Open Lake. I moved to Memphis and discovered all the MS Corp lakes.

There are still decent crappie in the TN River, cause we caught a bunch last year. Most of the ones we caught last year were in 2 foot of water or less. Then the river started falling after being up for about two weeks. If that river would be stable for 3 to 4 weeks during March and April every year, you'd see more numbers of fish surviving the spring hatch and that would equate to bigger fish all around.

JMHO...35 years of Crappie fishing and I'll be going tomorrow. \:D


couldn't agree more BW. are you aware that the crappie fishing in the oxbows you mentioned is basically over, due to the silver carp? bad deal.

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#1271754 - 04/01/09 02:48 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer

brian, seriously, could you explain why they would die?


Because, like every other living thing on the planet, crappie eventually die of natural causes. Call it "old age" or whatever. Crappie, especially white crappie, just don't live that long. Now, on rare occasions some individuals might live as long as 8 to 10 years, but that's not typical. Most crappie don't live past age 4 or 5. On average they reach sexual maturity around age 2 or 3.

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#1272160 - 04/01/09 08:25 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: keith35611]
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...besides that, Tn doesn't have the same type of water as some other states capable of growing 12+ inch crappie, lol.
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#1277743 - 04/06/09 06:00 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
...besides that, Tn doesn't have the same type of water as some other states capable of growing 12+ inch crappie, lol.


ha!! 2 1/2 pound crappie all over reelfoot and tn river, but we can't grow em. somebody must be slippin em in those lakes from mississippi!!

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#1277764 - 04/06/09 06:30 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: B.D.]
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 Originally Posted By: Brian Dunigan
 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer

brian, seriously, could you explain why they would die?


Because, like every other living thing on the planet, crappie eventually die of natural causes. Call it "old age" or whatever. Crappie, especially white crappie, just don't live that long. Now, on rare occasions some individuals might live as long as 8 to 10 years, but that's not typical. Most crappie don't live past age 4 or 5. On average they reach sexual maturity around age 2 or 3.

bd


all of this may be true, however, i am not sure it has a whole lot of bearing on whether a length min will work or not.

first, i would guess "avg. life span" of any fish would be much shorter than "possible life span" because most of em got eaten their fist month of life?? how do you define that 4 or 5 avg age? does that factor in natural predation, which really shouldn't be included in this discussion??

bottom line, if a lake can grow big craps, and they don't overpopulate due to the length limit, then it will work. if the limit causes overpopulation, it won't work. i am sure that it is tied to fertility??

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