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#1268474 - 03/30/09 04:32 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: 4onaside]
deerlawyer
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 Originally Posted By: 4onaside
 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
 Originally Posted By: 4onaside
 Originally Posted By: Trapper John
 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
 Originally Posted By: Trapper John
 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer

a man should apply some pride to his fishing just like his job, and throw those little tater chips back. leave the ten inchers for the bank fishermen sitting on buckets, or make em illegal.


This is part of the reason your proposal has turned into a joke. How can we possibly take you seriously when you demean other fishermen who don't measure up to your "standards?" Talking down to the "bank fishermen" and the "tater chip" comment...it makes you a bad joke. Combine that with no scientific backup and the posts above will be the result on here and at a TWRC meeting.


typical liberal response trap. don't expect excellence from anyone, just make everyone happy. very quickly becoming the american way. you and the other liberals on this website are the bad joke.


Unfortunately for you this really isn't a political argument. Getting this type of deal to be taken seriously requires scientific backing and support from the masses. Right now you have neither.

Since the troll smell has become prevalent in this thread I'll leave it at that.
Trapper, of course this guy is a troll. He makes some statement about yours being a typical liberal response, but he is obviously even confused about the definitions of what is a liberal and a conservative. His idea of a liberal apparently is anyone who dares to question that he knows best for us all. But in effect, you and those of us who think the present deal is OK are conservatives, status quo, and he is a liberal wanting change, change, change. Hey that sounds familiar. Funny how a guy like that can come in and stir up a bunch of crap, not by his ideas, but by basically telling everyone up front that we don't know what we are talking about. His statement about the TWRA just pacifying the masses is mind blowing. If they are just pacifying the masses, they are doing a great job. THAT'S THEIR JOB IN FISHERIES MANAGEMENT TO SATISFY THE MASSES. This lawyer? wants them to pacify the few, namely him and a tiny handful of malcontents. To .... with the majority.


hey 4, if the "present deal" of high personal income taxes and government agencies buying all the land they can get their hands on with taxpayer money is your idea of conservative, then you are not only ignorant, you are a full blown socialist.

so, you run your mouth about how trollish my opinion is. how is the "present deal" of a ten inch min and a thirty fish limit not trollish as well? is it a different size troll? or was that troll your idea so it is not a troll? what is it? put that super logic to work and let's hear it.
You're chasin your tail now. lol Buckwild just ate you alive. I'm sure when you put out all of your BS, about the 12"limit miraculous results at Sardis, it never occured to you that someone would be on here that had much more experience at that lake and obviously knows a great deal more about the facts than you. Surprise, surprise. Take all of your liberal/conservative/whatever crap up to the political forum. You're the one that tried to inject that term into a fishing forum. Calling Trapper a liberal when you haven't the foggiest about his politics, nor should it be a factor in a fishing conversation. I suppose that its just a term that you thought offensive that you could call someone, when someone doesn't lockstep into your cockamanie ideas. Just curious. Are you in fact a lawyer? lol "TWRA just pacifying the masses". I would think that they would be pleased that would be said about their efforts, even by someone so misinformed to think that is an insult.



i enjoyed buck's post, however, he doesn't know the 12 min is/will not help sardis either. my point in this whole discussion. tenn will never know til they try it, i don't care how many samples they take.

i used liberal to describe someone's getting all bent out of shape about politically incorrectly describing someone content with a six in crappie, or how i p.i.c. refer to the little fish. when in reality that person just didn't like me questioning any twra rule already in place. both makes someone a flaming liberal in my opinion. just dicuss the issue. don't cry cause i called a fish a tater chip!!!

4, i knew you would dodge the 10 inch/30 fish rule already being in place argument. for anyone to logically argue against my 12 in rule, you would also have to argue against the 10/30 rule. isn't it too restrictive for the tater chip fishermen? oh yea, there is science backing the 10/30, but not the 12. please. so far all you have done is talked about trolls, which you boys with the multi-thousand posts seem to relish so much. it is really silly.

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#1268542 - 03/30/09 05:21 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: deerlawyer]
4onaside
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 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
 Originally Posted By: 4onaside
 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
 Originally Posted By: 4onaside
 Originally Posted By: Trapper John
 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
 Originally Posted By: Trapper John
 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer

a man should apply some pride to his fishing just like his job, and throw those little tater chips back. leave the ten inchers for the bank fishermen sitting on buckets, or make em illegal.


This is part of the reason your proposal has turned into a joke. How can we possibly take you seriously when you demean other fishermen who don't measure up to your "standards?" Talking down to the "bank fishermen" and the "tater chip" comment...it makes you a bad joke. Combine that with no scientific backup and the posts above will be the result on here and at a TWRC meeting.


typical liberal response trap. don't expect excellence from anyone, just make everyone happy. very quickly becoming the american way. you and the other liberals on this website are the bad joke.


Unfortunately for you this really isn't a political argument. Getting this type of deal to be taken seriously requires scientific backing and support from the masses. Right now you have neither.

Since the troll smell has become prevalent in this thread I'll leave it at that.
Trapper, of course this guy is a troll. He makes some statement about yours being a typical liberal response, but he is obviously even confused about the definitions of what is a liberal and a conservative. His idea of a liberal apparently is anyone who dares to question that he knows best for us all. But in effect, you and those of us who think the present deal is OK are conservatives, status quo, and he is a liberal wanting change, change, change. Hey that sounds familiar. Funny how a guy like that can come in and stir up a bunch of crap, not by his ideas, but by basically telling everyone up front that we don't know what we are talking about. His statement about the TWRA just pacifying the masses is mind blowing. If they are just pacifying the masses, they are doing a great job. THAT'S THEIR JOB IN FISHERIES MANAGEMENT TO SATISFY THE MASSES. This lawyer? wants them to pacify the few, namely him and a tiny handful of malcontents. To .... with the majority.


hey 4, if the "present deal" of high personal income taxes and government agencies buying all the land they can get their hands on with taxpayer money is your idea of conservative, then you are not only ignorant, you are a full blown socialist.

so, you run your mouth about how trollish my opinion is. how is the "present deal" of a ten inch min and a thirty fish limit not trollish as well? is it a different size troll? or was that troll your idea so it is not a troll? what is it? put that super logic to work and let's hear it.
You're chasin your tail now. lol Buckwild just ate you alive. I'm sure when you put out all of your BS, about the 12"limit miraculous results at Sardis, it never occured to you that someone would be on here that had much more experience at that lake and obviously knows a great deal more about the facts than you. Surprise, surprise. Take all of your liberal/conservative/whatever crap up to the political forum. You're the one that tried to inject that term into a fishing forum. Calling Trapper a liberal when you haven't the foggiest about his politics, nor should it be a factor in a fishing conversation. I suppose that its just a term that you thought offensive that you could call someone, when someone doesn't lockstep into your cockamanie ideas. Just curious. Are you in fact a lawyer? lol "TWRA just pacifying the masses". I would think that they would be pleased that would be said about their efforts, even by someone so misinformed to think that is an insult.



i enjoyed buck's post, however, he doesn't know the 12 min is/will not help sardis either. my point in this whole discussion. tenn will never know til they try it, i don't care how many samples they take.

i used liberal to describe someone's getting all bent out of shape about politically incorrectly describing someone content with a six in crappie, or how i p.i.c. refer to the little fish. when in reality that person just didn't like me questioning any twra rule already in place. both makes someone a flaming liberal in my opinion. just dicuss the issue. don't cry cause i called a fish a tater chip!!!

4, i knew you would dodge the 10 inch/30 fish rule already being in place argument. for anyone to logically argue against my 12 in rule, you would also have to argue against the 10/30 rule. isn't it too restrictive for the tater chip fishermen? oh yea, there is science backing the 10/30, but not the 12. please. so far all you have done is talked about trolls, which you boys with the multi-thousand posts seem to relish so much. it is really silly.
Very eloquent. Once again, are you a lawyer? No dodging anything here, 30/10 or whatever. If I had my druthers, there are certain waters in which I think that the 10" rule is counterproductive. These are some generally relatively small lakes, i.e. Browns Creek Lake in Natchez Trace where I have probably caught a thousand black crappie, most of which have run from 8 to 9 and half inches. The size does not change from year to year, or age class to age class. Now, in practice, since there is zilch enforcement, there are many sub 10 inchers removed. Just not by me. It speaks for itself that the same management principles applicable to say Pickwick or any large reservoir should not apply to a 167 acre lake. Or a 90 acre lake such as Maple Creek Lake in the same park, or many similar lakes. But the TWRA makes no differenciation, so I can live with it. Ironically, I very rarely keep any fish anyway, but I would like to be able to legally do so, if I so choose. So if I do not keep fish, why would I be opposed to a 12" limit. I'm not. Nor 10" nor 8". So its not the message, its the messenger. You come on here and immediately start demeaning people, as if no one but you has a clue. The only excuse for talking to people the way that you do, is if in fact you are a lawyer. Then I understand.
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#1268720 - 03/30/09 07:53 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: deerlawyer]
mallard239
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so guys, i am fairly new here. what is a troll?
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#1269041 - 03/30/09 09:44 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: mallard239]
4onaside
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 Originally Posted By: mallard239
so guys, i am fairly new here. what is a troll?
Basically, a poster whose sole intent is to stir up a bunch of garbage.
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#1269340 - 03/31/09 07:03 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: ]
BuckWild
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My thoughts on a 12 in minimum in the TN River.
Don't think it would help increase the overall size of the fish.
In my opinion, what has hurt the TN River fishery is the TN River itself. Way back when...when there was no size limit and no creel limit. We used to catch crappie by the hundreds, just about every time we fished there. We fished the areas from Hog Creek to the south all the way up to Springville on Big Sandy. Caught nice fish, big fish and lots of them. The main reason we stopped fishing on the TN River was because after the TomBigbee Waterway was opened, we noticed much greater fluctuations in the water levels on the river. I can remember rolling into Hog Creek, where we had a cabin, on a Friday afternoon and the water would be way back in the buck brush. Just perfect for spawning crappie. Next morning wake up and head for the ramp only to find they had dropped the water 6 feet. Now there had always been fluctuations in the water levels due to generating at the dam, but nothing like this. This was every fricking week. Crappie spawning in the shallow water just to have their eggs dry up and die once the water dropped. After 4 or 5 years of this cycle, we noticed a huge reduction in both size and amount of fish caught. All this started with the TNTom waterway being opened. Water had to be kept in that ditch to keep commercial barge traffic flowing. We gave up on the river and started fishing mainly MS River oxbows, like Open lake and Chisolm Lake and Cold Creek. We caught some of the biggest crappie we've ever caught out of Open Lake. I moved to Memphis and discovered all the MS Corp lakes.

There are still decent crappie in the TN River, cause we caught a bunch last year. Most of the ones we caught last year were in 2 foot of water or less. Then the river started falling after being up for about two weeks. If that river would be stable for 3 to 4 weeks during March and April every year, you'd see more numbers of fish surviving the spring hatch and that would equate to bigger fish all around.

JMHO...35 years of Crappie fishing and I'll be going tomorrow. \:D
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#1269406 - 03/31/09 07:52 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: deerlawyer]
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Look,

Tennessee has already done enough stupid things with the bass regs. Still waiting on an explanation with "scientific" reasoning why Pickwick has a 15" and 18" rule.

Anyone with any sense knows that the grass is why the fishing is so good now. Of course, I guess all those big fish caught in Alabama and MS waters probably swam from Tennessee.

If you get a 12" crappie reg, you can bet it won't have anything to do with a "biological" reason. Get enough of the "money" to want it and you got it.
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#1269448 - 03/31/09 08:34 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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Swamper, the bass regs were necessary in this part of the world, as there is so many freaking tourneys that without them the bass fishery would be in serious trouble.
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#1269506 - 03/31/09 09:03 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: captain hook]
AlabamaSwamper
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Why would the premier trophy smallmouth lake in the world need fixing?

I'm also sure all these mule largemouths caught in Alabama and Mississippi are swimming from Tennessee.

G-R-A-S-S is the only reason and everyone but the TWRA knows that.


Edited by AlabamaSwamper (03/31/09 09:11 AM)
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#1269524 - 03/31/09 09:14 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: captain hook]
AlabamaSwamper
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
Swamper, the bass regs were necessary in this part of the world, as there is so many freaking tourneys that without them the bass fishery would be in serious trouble.


Wilson Lake is the most pressured lake on the TN river per acre. More tournaments and more recreational fishermen per acre.

4 or 5 years ago, they had to take the 15" limit off because it was killing the fishery. They couldn't shock big fish up. Hundreds of 13" and 14" fish but hardly any keepers. All this on the most pressured lake on the TN river system.

I read the other day they had one of the best if not the best weight averages in history on Wilson during their shocking survey done by TVA.

So no, length limits or "catch and release" aren't always the best thing.
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#1269639 - 03/31/09 10:27 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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The 12" limit is only on 2 lakes I think in MS, maybe 3 or 4 at the most. Biologically, those crappie populations in the flood control reservoirs (Sardis, Grenada, etc.) have really fast growth rates, really high harvest rates, and very inconsistent recruitment (fish entering the population). Those three things there are a recipe for a length limit.

Edited by AlabamaSwamper (03/31/09 10:28 AM)
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