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#1247445 - 03/19/09 12:11 PM Lake Trout in Norris Lake
bobthebowhunter
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Had a fella tell me he runs into schools of them up by the dam. I don't doubt there could be a couple, but he acts like he can catch them anytime he wants.

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#1247547 - 03/19/09 01:21 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: bobthebowhunter]
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lake trout were stocked in Norris Lake many years ago. Have not had any reports in years.

Below the dam, there are rainbow, brown and now brook trout.

May be thinking the brooks are lake trout.

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#1247935 - 03/19/09 04:18 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: ]
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Did you see Jake Butchers house boat when you dived by the dam?
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#1248087 - 03/19/09 06:04 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: buckmoss1]
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Hook,
Amen. Put it to rest. I mean, 100 pounds? Sure. Maybe even a 150 or 200 pounds...I don't consider that out of the question of the indeterminate growth of a blue or flathead catfish...and I think fish that size swim in most reservoirs in the southern half of the United States. 80-100 pounds are probably fairly common...but Volkswagens? Not likely...have to go to the Po or Danube to get catfish like that...say...or just bring them here..

Oh, the Wels fargo wagon is a comin'....

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#1248788 - 03/19/09 09:35 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: ]
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The biggest i ever saw was at Ft loudoun...We was diving 90 ft setting trash racks there....The catfish swimed right between my legs as i was moving sticks and other stuff...well the cat was close to 4 1/2 ft long and his head was as big around as a 5 gallon bucket...I been on alot of the dams thur the TVA system...from norris to Ky dam and also Fontana...A few years ago we was diving 207 at Fontana and nowhere near bottom
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#1249952 - 03/20/09 12:36 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
When I first moved here, myself and 2 fisheries biologists with TVA worked for 2 solid weeks trying to find out if any of the lake trout were still alive. We found no signs of them. We did find both rainbow and brown trout (which was odd), but zero lake trout.

Our species had everything imaginable including things they did not know there were many of in that reservoir.

Not saying they still couldn't be there somewhere, but after combing every likely location we came up with zilch.

Oh and BTW I hear all these urban legends of giant catfish at the base of the dam, best I can tell that is total BS. We dove a ton in that area and saw plenty of catfish, and some big ones, but none as rumored which were as big as VW bugs.


The legends of big cats by the dam are a part of every lake. I have heard that story about Lake Martin (AL), Smith Lake (AL), Ft Nasty, and just about every body of water that has a large dam someone will say they saw a fish as big as pick up.
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#1250058 - 03/20/09 02:30 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: bobthebowhunter]
mike243
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 Originally Posted By: bobthebowhunter
 Originally Posted By: captain hook
When I first moved here, myself and 2 fisheries biologists with TVA worked for 2 solid weeks trying to find out if any of the lake trout were still alive. We found no signs of them. We did find both rainbow and brown trout (which was odd), but zero lake trout.

Our species had everything imaginable including things they did not know there were many of in that reservoir.

Not saying they still couldn't be there somewhere, but after combing every likely location we came up with zilch.

Oh and BTW I hear all these urban legends of giant catfish at the base of the dam, best I can tell that is total BS. We dove a ton in that area and saw plenty of catfish, and some big ones, but none as rumored which were as big as VW bugs.


The legends of big cats by the dam are a part of every lake. I have heard that story about Lake Martin (AL), Smith Lake (AL), Ft Nasty, and just about every body of water that has a large dam someone will say they saw a fish as big as pick up.

dat true \:\) ,mike243
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#1250093 - 03/20/09 03:01 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: mike243]
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I have been trying to stock Norris with sharks for several years. I am glad they are surviving, and someone caught one. I might try dolphins next.
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#1250154 - 03/20/09 03:47 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: Nhill]
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 Originally Posted By: Nhill
I have been trying to stock Norris with sharks for several years.


I would like to expand this program to Old Hickory. Maybe they would help control the jet ski population.

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#1254139 - 03/23/09 09:00 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: B.D.]
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I always hear the ones that the divers refuse to go down after swimming down there. I had an interesting twist on it in an Adirondack lake known for producing 50" pike, that apparently a diver saw a pike by the dam that spooked him up so fast he got the bends. All conjecture as far as I know, but still. Sharks? Bull sharks have found their way into S. Illinois waters , namely right off the MS river, up to around St. Louis, and the state department every now and then will net one. I mean, theoreticallly they could live, but probably not reproduce and no, there's a 99.9% chance that guys full of crap.
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#1255674 - 03/23/09 11:06 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: Tubakka]
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Bull Sharks in the Mississippi river is logical, since they do just fine in fresh water, and since the one at St.Louis was documented by the state. Hmm, someone eplain to me how or why one would come up an ice water river and manage a large and high concrete dam with no locks, etc. What, do they swim up the outlet tubes? Maybe they acquired a taste for lake trout. Yeah, that's what happened to the lakers.
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#1256034 - 03/24/09 09:38 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: 4onaside]
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I remember a bull shark being caught or found dead in a lake in Alabama. Someone obviously released it. Bull sharks can live in fresh water for some amount of time which I have no idea what it is but they are also known for going up rivers in Africa and India as well as the mississippi river. I beleive there is a lake in Africa that boasts having freshwater sharks which I think are bull sharks that have acclimated to the fresh water.

That all being said, I think someone could release one in one of our lakes and it might be able to survive for a little while.

Were there any northern pike released in Dale Hollow or Norris? I remember as a kid where there was some talk.

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#1256101 - 03/24/09 09:49 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: JimFromTN]
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they put muskie or pike in norris at 1 time,i never caught 1 but seen where somebody cleaned 1 at the boat launch at bigridge back in the late 80's or early 90's, the head & body was there minus the fillets,mike243
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#1256267 - 03/24/09 11:44 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: JimFromTN]
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Dale Hollow has got muskie. Don't know about Norris. Also don't know about northerns anywhere.

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#1256628 - 03/24/09 05:34 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: mike243]
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
they put muskie or pike in norris at 1 time,i never caught 1 but seen where somebody cleaned 1 at the boat launch at bigridge back in the late 80's or early 90's, the head & body was there minus the fillets,mike243


there is a 42 lb musky hanging in one of the marinas on norris that was caught in the 80's.
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#1257636 - 03/25/09 08:38 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: Nhill]
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I've heard lots of people say there are still repopulating muskies in Norris. Big lake, could easily hide a small self sustaining. If I'm not mistaken the current state record [although larger ones have been taken since, I'm sure, just not reported] came from Norris Lake, and I think that it, even at that size, there was no possible way it could've been from the original stocking. These fish have a way though of finding themselves in the unlikliest of places.

Bull sharks can live INDEFINITELY in freshwater. Lake Nicaragua is known for its land locked population of bull sharks, once thought a separate species until further scrutinized. The bull sharks down here in FL are pretty mean.

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#1257763 - 03/25/09 09:59 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: Tubakka]
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Very possible to catch sharks in fresh water. Been a ton of documented cases. One caught near St. Louis just a few years ago. You might recall, St. Louis is a quite a ways from salt water. Sharks can live very well in fresh water.

RE Muskies; Doc Reagan caught a ton of them out of Dale back in the 70's and 80's. He must have a dozen hanging on the wall of his store.
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#1257885 - 03/25/09 10:23 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Very possible to catch sharks in fresh water. Been a ton of documented cases. One caught near St. Louis just a few years ago. You might recall, St. Louis is a quite a ways from salt water. Sharks can live very well in fresh water.

RE Muskies; Doc Reagan caught a ton of them out of Dale back in the 70's and 80's. He must have a dozen hanging on the wall of his store.
Yeah, but to my knowledge, all of the freshwater bull shark habitats have one thing in common that does not exist at Norris or any other similar "cold water" lake, an unimpeded route to and from the ocean, as in the Mississippi River or Lake Nicaragua.
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#1258036 - 03/25/09 12:14 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: Tubakka]
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 Originally Posted By: Tubakka
The bull sharks down here in FL are pretty mean.


Finally, something we can agree on! \:\)

I was snook fishing at Fort Meyers Beach a couple years back and a 7 footer blasted out of a channel and grabbed a big snook from right in front of me. I re-evaluated the wisdom of wade fishing in the surf after that.

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#1260429 - 03/26/09 09:21 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: 4onaside]
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HA! Down at Sebastien Inlet, BD, I hear people talk all the time about bulls and the occasional tigers, and jewfish, taking trophy snook and reds off the hook. My buddy Rodney has had the heads of 150 pound tarpon come up down there on his line. Strike, run, PURE VIOLENT HEAD THROWS, slack....I hope to do that. I'm going for tarpon off the beach in a week or so at Smyrna. Apparently they get 100 plus pounders off the beach, and the tackle I've got is more than enough for a 50" red, but this will give it a test. Bd, you come down here often? We oughtta hook up. I know a guy who has the inlet game down. His biggest snook out of sebastien was right at 50". All artificials. His biggest red that I've seen was 63". I didn't even nkow they got that big. Even if I move back to TN for a time [musicians getting laid off like crazy, both my managers as of yesterday, gone in the past 2 months...] I intend to come back often.

OH, for you nutso fly guys looking for something different...Hey bd, come down with your gheenoe and let's go after these clown knife fish in the Osborne-Ida chain. Exotic that took to the lake from teh aquarium trade. Apparently I they like live threadfins and little rapalas, but I don't think they've been pursued on fly yet. Not a whole lot of them in there, but just enough to target. They apparently fight like they're possessed with legion and get up to 15 pounds. Also...bowfin man. They get big here. Fun fun fish.

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#1260463 - 03/26/09 09:37 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: Tubakka]
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On the bull sharks, I forgot...my grandma got me shark week for my birthday [hours spent at her place eating home cooked meals watching that on the old Discovery channel]. Now I don't think sharks got hunting people...they just go hunting. They're indifferent. Not stupid enough to attack something they can't handle but stupid enough to not know those boundaries from time to time. This guy is hosting the show with Nigel Marvin, and they're just letting these bull sharks swim around them, and he's like "Oh it's okay...there's no blood, and they're just curious...they're not going to hurt us." Then a bull turns and administers a little "curiousity" to the guy's left calf. It's just a teaser bite, but still...these are sharks. It doesn't take much. I just think it's ridiculous and appalling how we go from wanting to kill them all in the late 70's to now wanting to hug them and send them Omaha Steaks gift baskets. It's just as dangerous to teach people, ESPECIALLY the target audience of children to young adults, that sharks AREN'T dangerous and it's OKAY to go swimming with bull sharks, as it is to teach that they are all evil and out to eat you. Why can't people find the equilibrium?
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#1260626 - 03/26/09 11:10 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: Tubakka]
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i lived in melbourn in the middle 70"s & that was my favorite place to fish,coarse i liked the innercoastol water ways also,we always went out deep sea fishing from port canavrol (sp),it was a mud parking lot back then,went back for a fishing trip in the early 80's & nice parking lots ect reckon times changed quickley after we came home to Tn,mike243
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#1260922 - 03/26/09 03:13 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: Tubakka]
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 Originally Posted By: Tubakka
Bd, you come down here often?


I get down to Florida at least once or twice a year, but I usually head to the Gulf Coast and fish the flats around Tampa Bay. I'll probably go down for a few days some time in May.

I've been wanting to hit Mosquito Lagoon but it's a little far. My in-laws live in Winter Haven, which is kind of right in the middle of the state, but there's just no convenient way to get to the East Coast from there.

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#1260923 - 03/26/09 03:14 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: Tubakka]
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 Originally Posted By: Tubakka
Now I don't think sharks got hunting people...they just go hunting.


After watching them snatch spawning snook out of the surf, I'm convinced that a lot of shallow water attacks happen because the bull sharks just dart in from deep water into the shallows and grab, and they do it so fast they don't have time to fully evaluate what they're grabbing.

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#1264702 - 03/28/09 02:20 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: B.D.]
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I caught this lake trout in Percy Priest a few years ago. It was a cold, rainey day and I was casting a South Bend Itzzy Duzzy on four pound line when the leviathan hit. At first I thought it was a drum but Chewbacca told me it was a lake trout.

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#1264949 - 03/28/09 05:07 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: bowriter]
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That's a snook, not a lake trout. Snook are everywhere. I've seen them at the bar.

Cheebaccr knows not hees feesh.

I'm surprised you caught it wearing that camo-

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#1268101 - 03/30/09 11:54 AM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: bowriter]
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Those drum look a lot like redfish - I'm pretty sure they are in the same family. I wonder how they would taste blackened. \:\)

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#1268151 - 03/30/09 12:34 PM Re: Lake Trout in Norris Lake [Re: B.D.]
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Sciaenidae-

Same family, different genera.

Freshwater drum taste like dirt. Blackened = burnt dirt.

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