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#1225568 - 03/09/09 10:21 AM Depressing
muddyboots
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I went to my lease sunday morning and didnt hear nothing. Ive been in this lease for 18 years and this is the first time i have never heard nothing. It is sad. A property where hearing 10 birds a morning was the norm now you are lucky to hear two. Been just getting worse for the last 4 years. Kinda sad. Guess its time to find greener pastures.
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#1225600 - 03/09/09 10:34 AM Re: Depressing [Re: muddyboots]
Wrangler95
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They are not gobbling good yet,I only heard one yesterday morning!!
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#1225608 - 03/09/09 10:38 AM Re: Depressing [Re: Wrangler95]
muddyboots
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I hope you are right.
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#1225621 - 03/09/09 10:50 AM Re: Depressing [Re: muddyboots]
gil1
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I got trail cam pics. the other day, and they were still in their fall flocks. Here are some closeups to get you fired up.









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#1225623 - 03/09/09 10:51 AM Re: Depressing [Re: gil1]
Lawrence
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Awesome pics
thanks
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#1225626 - 03/09/09 10:53 AM Re: Depressing [Re: muddyboots]
Lawrence
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I went to my place Saturday morning too
and did not hear the first bird.
Then this morning as was leaving for work I heard 2 or 3 gobble
and this is right in town
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#1225627 - 03/09/09 10:53 AM Re: Depressing [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
Here are some closeups to get you fired up.


Yep, that'll do it!! Great photos!!
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#1225821 - 03/09/09 01:35 PM Re: Depressing [Re: ]
gil1
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
2 year old birds, should be vocal and looking for love.

I sure hope so. The twos still humble me, but the threes usually put me in my place real good.
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#1225926 - 03/09/09 02:31 PM Re: Depressing [Re: gil1]
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I have had 4 years in a row of poor hatchings. I have about 25 percent of the birds I did 5 years ago. I hope this trend ends soon. I quit hunting last year because there simply wasn't enough birds. I was afraid to kill anymore.
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#1225979 - 03/09/09 03:05 PM Re: Depressing [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
gil1
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 Originally Posted By: Hillbilly Hunter
I have had 4 years in a row of poor hatchings. I have about 25 percent of the birds I did 5 years ago. I hope this trend ends soon. I quit hunting last year because there simply wasn't enough birds. I was afraid to kill anymore.


I guess we'll find out in a few weeks when they've all broken up and settled in.
I have 2 hunting leases. Interestingly, the one that is normally a slam dunk on birds was a complete bust last year. The one that usually sucks had lots more birds last year. I don't know what to think about that type of soft data.
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#1227225 - 03/10/09 12:37 AM Re: Depressing [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
smstone22
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 Originally Posted By: Hillbilly Hunter
I have had 4 years in a row of poor hatchings. I have about 25 percent of the birds I did 5 years ago. I hope this trend ends soon. I quit hunting last year because there simply wasn't enough birds. I was afraid to kill anymore.


Ditto man. I almost feel bad shooting one here now.
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#1228043 - 03/10/09 10:14 AM Re: Depressing [Re: gil1]
megalomaniac
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
I don't know what to think about that type of soft data.


The data isn't soft, though... Kill numbers have been nosediving statewide over the past 3 years. Population IS down and will continue to decline under current liberal harvest regulations unless spring hatches improve.

I imposed a 2 bird limit on myself and those that hunt my properties several years ago. Even though we took 5 birds in the first 3 days of last years season (3 people), and I was done with the killing, I kept on hunting. Called in several other birds within gun range and just passed on them... which is just as fun to me.

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#1228100 - 03/10/09 10:45 AM Re: Depressing [Re: megalomaniac]
Lawrence
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 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac
 Originally Posted By: gil1
I don't know what to think about that type of soft data.


The data isn't soft, though... Kill numbers have been nosediving statewide over the past 3 years. Population IS down and will continue to decline under current liberal harvest regulations unless spring hatches improve.

I imposed a 2 bird limit on myself and those that hunt my properties several years ago. Even though we took 5 birds in the first 3 days of last years season (3 people), and I was done with the killing, I kept on hunting. Called in several other birds within gun range and just passed on them... which is just as fun to me.

GOOD FOR YOU ON PASSING BIRDS
Hunters like to complain when the numbers are down but they still continue to blast away.
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#1228155 - 03/10/09 11:41 AM Re: Depressing [Re: Lawrence]
gil1
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 Originally Posted By: Lawrence
 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac
 Originally Posted By: gil1
I don't know what to think about that type of soft data.


The data isn't soft, though... Kill numbers have been nosediving statewide over the past 3 years. Population IS down and will continue to decline under current liberal harvest regulations unless spring hatches improve.

I imposed a 2 bird limit on myself and those that hunt my properties several years ago. Even though we took 5 birds in the first 3 days of last years season (3 people), and I was done with the killing, I kept on hunting. Called in several other birds within gun range and just passed on them... which is just as fun to me.

GOOD FOR YOU ON PASSING BIRDS
Hunters like to complain when the numbers are down but they still continue to blast away.


It's not exactly the same thing, but instead of passing up birds, I just started bow only a few years ago. Last year, I called 6 gobblers within shotgun range. 3 of those came within bow range. I didn't get a shot at any of them. I don't have to pass them up - they pass ME up! \:D
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#1228182 - 03/10/09 11:58 AM Re: Depressing [Re: gil1]
megalomaniac
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
 Originally Posted By: Lawrence
 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac
 Originally Posted By: gil1
I don't know what to think about that type of soft data.


The data isn't soft, though... Kill numbers have been nosediving statewide over the past 3 years. Population IS down and will continue to decline under current liberal harvest regulations unless spring hatches improve.

I imposed a 2 bird limit on myself and those that hunt my properties several years ago. Even though we took 5 birds in the first 3 days of last years season (3 people), and I was done with the killing, I kept on hunting. Called in several other birds within gun range and just passed on them... which is just as fun to me.

GOOD FOR YOU ON PASSING BIRDS
Hunters like to complain when the numbers are down but they still continue to blast away.


It's not exactly the same thing, but instead of passing up birds, I just started bow only a few years ago. Last year, I called 6 gobblers within shotgun range. 3 of those came within bow range. I didn't get a shot at any of them. I don't have to pass them up - they pass ME up! \:D


LOL!

I bowhunted for them several years ago and never cussed so much my entire life. I made myself a vow that year to never, ever, do that again \:\)

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#1228192 - 03/10/09 12:01 PM Re: Depressing [Re: gil1]
muddyboots
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You know, whether it is caused by higher limits, poor hatches or that curve thing someone posted about the other day it just basically sucks. This property is 900 acres of pines, hardwoods and fields. As few as 5 years ago you could hear between 8 to 12 birds gobble any morning you went. Everytime you hunted you saw turkeys. Now you are lucky to hear one and can go two or three days and not see one. Its like they just vanished. this is where i learned to turkey hunt and it is just sad.
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#1228338 - 03/10/09 12:42 PM Re: Depressing [Re: muddyboots]
8 POINTS OR BETTER
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Muddyboots,
Is this on your lease across the road from me, or on your other lease. We have about a 1/4 of the birds we had 4 years ago.
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#1228390 - 03/10/09 01:09 PM Re: Depressing [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
muddyboots
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Both leases are down. The one at Hardins Creek and at Gillis Mills.
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#1228397 - 03/10/09 01:15 PM Re: Depressing [Re: muddyboots]
muddyboots
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I personally think it is the limits. The places that have historically been good hunting - In other words the places people knew that there were turkeys there and got hunted alot are way down. The places that didnt used to have turkeys are up. Very weird.
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#1228450 - 03/10/09 01:40 PM Re: Depressing [Re: muddyboots]
8 POINTS OR BETTER
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I think its the limit and the bad hatches. I only seen four jakes all of last season, and two the season before. For years we would have between 10 and 20 jakes on our farm each season. Most of the toms we have (less than a dozen) are over 4 years old, when they are gone we will be in bad shape. Even if we have a good hatch next year it will be two years before I hunt them. I use to hunt in MO back in the late 80's early 90's, I'll probably be hunting there some again next year.
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#1228493 - 03/10/09 02:08 PM Re: Depressing [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
muddyboots
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You are probably right.
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#1228555 - 03/10/09 03:13 PM Re: Depressing [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
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#1228713 - 03/10/09 04:57 PM Re: Depressing [Re: TN Deer Slayer]
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We went out this weekend and did hear anything both Saturday, and Sunday.

I think last year was the best hatch we've had. Should see alot of jakes killed this year!!!

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#1228724 - 03/10/09 05:14 PM Re: Depressing [Re: cruff10]
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i remember seeing more poults survive thru late summer last year than i ever had saw before. this was in fentress county but i don't know if this was just an isolated case or what but i have high hopes of seeing alot of jakes this year and some pretty nice toms
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#1228735 - 03/10/09 05:25 PM Re: Depressing [Re: splitter]
smstone22
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 Originally Posted By: splitter
i remember seeing more poults survive thru late summer last year than i ever had saw before. this was in fentress county but i don't know if this was just an isolated case or what but i have high hopes of seeing alot of jakes this year and some pretty nice toms


Yep I think we will have alot of jakes, we will see if they represent a larger than normal percentage of the harvest.
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#1228754 - 03/10/09 05:49 PM Re: Depressing [Re: smstone22]
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dad heard 2 this am.
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#1228957 - 03/10/09 07:54 PM Re: Depressing [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
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I'm right there with you Muddy. Last year we had one gobbling bird on almost 2000 acres. I can remember just a few years ago 10-15 wouldn't be unusual. We left this bird alone last year - he could have died a hundred times. Started hunting other places and other states. I saw several longbeards during deer season and have several trail cam pics with several gobblers in them. Keeping my fingers crossed for a hard gobbling year.
Picked up 500 acres in Decatur Co. 2 weeks ago thanks to a mess of sauger - I hope it has as many bird as the farmer says. I also leased some turkey rights in Carroll Co. You can never have too many places!!

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