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#1225528 - 03/09/09 09:58 AM Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork
B.D.
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I lost the front 3 sections of an 8wt Sage Fli on the Caney Fork yesterday, at the very bottom of the run at Lancaster (right where the dead tree juts out). We were in a drift boat and there was too much current to get back to where it went in.

If anybody finds it, please IM me, e-mail me, or something and let me know. I will be tremendously grateful.

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#1225536 - 03/09/09 10:03 AM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: B.D.]
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Hey BD, my son and I plan on going up to Lancaster in the morning for a few mintues, I will run down by there and see if I can find it before the water comes up. Just below the gravel bar, right?
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#1225570 - 03/09/09 10:22 AM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: TNFishnstix]
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Yes, just below the gravel bar. Thank you so much.

At the bottom end of the run at Landcaster, there is a dead tree that sticks out - that is the one I lost it on.

Basically, the bottom ferrule worked loose, the front end of the rod went in the water, and the tree hung me up so I couldn't just drag it back in. We were in a drift boat and couldn't row back up against the current to get it back (1 gen running), so I was pretty much helpless. Inevitably the fly broke off, and the back end of the line came back to the boat without the rod attached. That was probably the first time in two years that I've been on that run in a boat without a motor, and it's just my luck that this would be the time I had that mishap. The Sage warranty protects against breakage, but not loss, so I am fearing that I will be out mucho dinero if I have to replace 3/4 of the rod.

Thanks again.

bd


Edited by Brian Dunigan (03/09/09 10:25 AM)

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#1225593 - 03/09/09 10:30 AM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: B.D.]
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Sorry about that, Man, what a cluster! \:D

I just got my 6 wt. FLi back from Sage that I broke not far from there. Jack and I's backcasts crossed, and my tip snapped.

So how was the fishing?
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#1225758 - 03/09/09 12:34 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
So how was the fishing?


Slow. We had to work for them. We picked up one legitimately around 20" and a few 16-18s, plus a light assortment of dinks, but many, many casts between fish.

It was all big streamers and sinking lines on high water - you wouldn't have liked it. \:\)

We did hit one "hatch" for about 15 minutes where fish were aggressively smacking the surface all around us but showed no interest in any fly I found. No bugs coming off and no shad in the vicinity - we think they may have been eating seeds that were blowing in from a nearby sycamore tree. Those seeds were all I saw on the surface, anyway. Weird. It stopped before we dialed anything in.

The 25 mph winds blowing straight downriver nearly all day added to the painintheass factor.

bd

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#1225817 - 03/09/09 01:33 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: B.D.]
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 Originally Posted By: Brian Dunigan
 Originally Posted By: gil1
So how was the fishing?


Slow. We had to work for them. We picked up one legitimately around 20" and a few 16-18s, plus a light assortment of dinks, but many, many casts between fish.

It was all big streamers and sinking lines on high water - you wouldn't have liked it. \:\)

We did hit one "hatch" for about 15 minutes where fish were aggressively smacking the surface all around us but showed no interest in any fly I found. No bugs coming off and no shad in the vicinity - we think they may have been eating seeds that were blowing in from a nearby sycamore tree. Those seeds were all I saw on the surface, anyway. Weird. It stopped before we dialed anything in.

The 25 mph winds blowing straight downriver nearly all day added to the painintheass factor.

bd


Sounds like a pretty good trip to me. I almost always figure it out for about 1 fish before they change patterns.
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#1226046 - 03/09/09 04:12 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: gil1]
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Look, I've said it once, I'll say it again. Why are people using drift boats on the Caney? There are no rapids, no real shallow water that cannot be navigated with just a jon boat and a 9.9 or a gheenoe...I don't understand it. You can't go back and float sections, you don't have that much room, and they're really not the best for covering the water. I can say this because I've been in one both as angler and at the oars. In my opinion, it was the biggest pain in the butt I've ever had.

We launched one on the collins one time...because the guy insisted....and that was even worse, although it did allow us some easy passage over the last run of rapids. But still...I see guys that use them on the Caney, Cumby, and all these huge tailraces that can accomodate motor boats and small jon boats .Weren't these craft designed for the bodies of water where you CAN'T motor back up stream, due to jagged rocks and shallow rapids that would destroy a normal boat? I'm sure they excel at that, and you'd die in a jon boat, but we're not dealing with that. I hate to say this is all apart of the whole "image" thing again, but I'd really like someone to explain to me the advantage of this. If there is, I'm really open to hear it. The only guy I saw who had one that I thought was smart had a 5 hp kicker on the back he could fire up. In that case, I'd say it's not a bad idea, I really enjoy that little anchoring system built in, and it works well, but I'd still rather have a jon boat and a 9.9. If there are advantages though to fishing navigable waterways like the Caney, please let me know...

...because I think the aforementioned plea is just another nail in the coffin of why they are probably the least efficient way of fishing most tailraces, save a caulked conestoga wagon. You couldn't even run back upstream to get your rod. BD, I'm really sorry, I've been in that boat and lost things before, but never because I was unable to get back up stream to retrieve them. Why submit yourself to that? And btw, I thought you had a gheenoe or something, a pretty decked out one at that? nice boat, what were you doing in a $5,000 fiberglass bathtub? I bet they are the only way to go out in Montana in some remote scenic river with rapids and runs...but we're not in Montana in more ways than one.

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#1226047 - 03/09/09 04:13 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: Tubakka]
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Oh, and cosequently, good day. I still don't know what you guys were catterwalling about with no big browns being in the river. One of my buddies got a 25" yesterday and 3 more over 20". Big jerkbaits. Sounds like the river is doing....just fine.
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#1226052 - 03/09/09 04:17 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: Tubakka]
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Bd, haha...I just thought...maybe you should've pm'd someone instead of putting it on a public forum. You might have better luck finding your rod at that little shanty across the road from Pirate's Adventure that sells all used stuff.....
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#1226063 - 03/09/09 04:26 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: Tubakka]
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#1226070 - 03/09/09 04:32 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: go_okfishin]
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Bummer
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#1226103 - 03/09/09 04:59 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: Tubakka]
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 Originally Posted By: Tubakka
Look, I've said it once, I'll say it again.


And again, and again, and again... \:\)

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Why are people using drift boats on the Caney?


Because they're very comfortable to fish out of, most likely.

Also, some people have fun paddling every once in a while. I've fished lakes out of a canoe even though I have a bass boat. Sometimes it's more about spending a laid back day outside instead of running and gunning it.

bd


Edited by Brian Dunigan (03/09/09 05:07 PM)

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#1226116 - 03/09/09 05:06 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: Tubakka]
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 Originally Posted By: Tubakka
Bd, haha...I just thought...maybe you should've pm'd someone instead of putting it on a public forum. You might have better luck finding your rod at that little shanty across the road from Pirate's Adventure that sells all used stuff.....


Well, I didn't lose the whole rod, only 3/4ths of it. That's not much use to anybody but me, since I've got the 4th part.

bd

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#1226148 - 03/09/09 05:21 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: Radar]
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 Originally Posted By: Scott61
Bummer


You said it.

By the way, the Sage warranty covers breakage but not "loss." However, I bought the rod at a local shop, Fly South, and I'm a very regular customer there - if I can't get the lost pieces back, the guys there are going to talk to the Sage repair shop and see if they can help me get the pieces replaced at some cost much lower than the price of a whole new rod.

Obviously, it's up to Sage and not a sure thing, but I suuure couldn't have gotten that kind of help from Cabelas...



bd


Edited by Brian Dunigan (03/09/09 06:15 PM)

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#1226172 - 03/09/09 05:33 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: B.D.]
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Tubbs - I have a jon boat and love it, but it doesn't work for me on the Caney unless they are generating.

As you know, I hate fishing during generation and prefer to motor somewhere, anchor, get out and wade in low water. When they aren't releasing water, the jonboats weigh too much and ride too deep to motor back upstream back to take-out.

Granted, my Riverhawk isn't the shallowest runner in the world, but except for a few spots, I can mostly run upriver at no generation. Jon boats (at least those without jets) do a poor job of running upriver in ankle deep water. Great boats - just not fit for shallow running.

I think a drift boat is great to fish out of and for shallow drifting, but they aren't generally meant to motor around much. Generally speaking, you have to put in and take out at different areas, and I'm not willing to do that.
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#1226294 - 03/09/09 07:17 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: gil1]
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Im going to go out on a limb here and guess they like those boats because the image they convey, the comfort level, and the versatility to use on just about any river in the state. All things considered Id say the most important thing is that it separates them for loud mouthed rude inconsiderate know it all people like yourself. I realize that for your style of fishing with bobbers, plastic minnows made in China, worms, corn and two zebco 202 rods, a 12 jon with a trolling motor works just fine. Someday you might actually want to take off those training wheels and try a form of fishing that is actually challenging both mentally and physically.




Edited by bob (03/09/09 08:50 PM)

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#1226427 - 03/09/09 08:00 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: bob]
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bd.
Next time buy a Loomis. If you are holding the final 1/4, they will send you another entire rod in 24 hours.

Sage is overrated...big time IMO
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#1226924 - 03/09/09 10:35 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: 7mm08]
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G.Loomis's warranty policy is pretty much the same as Sage's. Their warranty return form for the Xpeditor Service says "we must receive the entire rod back."

http://www.gloomis.com/publish/content/g...0Form%20(2).pdf

I imagine they might cut customers some slack, just like I'm hoping Sage does.

I have 3 G. Loomis rods, so I clearly don't have anything against them. I really like my Sage for a streamer rod though. Before I bought it, I looked at the Loomis CrossCurrent but it was a little faster than what I wanted. Eventually I'll probably get a 10wt for stripers and it will probably be a CrossCurrent. But for trout streamers (and carp fishing in the summer), I like the FLi better.

bd


Edited by Brian Dunigan (03/09/09 10:40 PM)

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#1228212 - 03/10/09 12:09 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: B.D.]
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I fished and guided on the Caney for years with a freakin jon boat and a 9.8 Merc. Screw that noise. I drug that sucker all I wanted. I'll take my little toot-toot and run in 3" of water evebn with david J in the back of it, it doesn't drag and it holds the 9.8 quite well.
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#1228271 - 03/10/09 12:25 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: bowriter]
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This is what a jon boat is good for.

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#1228313 - 03/10/09 12:34 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: bowriter]
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Here's how you use a John boat.

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#1228388 - 03/10/09 01:09 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: bob]
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 Originally Posted By: bob
Im going to go out on a limb here and guess they like those boats because the image they convey, the comfort level, and the versatility to use on just about any river in the state. All things considered Id say the most important thing is that it separates them for loud mouthed rude inconsiderate know it all people like yourself. I realize that for your style of fishing with bobbers, plastic minnows made in China, worms, corn and two zebco 202 rods, a 12 jon with a trolling motor works just fine. Someday you might actually want to take off those training wheels and try a form of fishing that is actually challenging both mentally and physically.


I use jerkbaits because in my opinion they're the best tool for the job. Just because it doesn't take a twelve week study course to learn how to cast the dern thing doesn't mean I'm any less of an angler. Physically challenging? Guess I considered the whole "dragging the jon boat over the shallow parts upstream after dark" the physically challenging part. I fished out of a drift boat and with only two of us it was rather a chore going between oaring and fishing and you couldn't do both at the same time like with a jon and trolling motor. I didn't like that at all. Considering the fact that my partner was an expert and I was not, it was quite a chore anyway. I just never got the whole not being able to go back upstream part.

I know with my 9.9 even on falling water, there are few places that I am not able to get back upstream in. I'd just raise the tilt and it'd go over most areas if you knew the deeper parts just fine. Of course, I'm not afraid to bang up a prop now and then, but that's what they're for. There are very few if any spots on the Caney except on the lowest water that cannot accomodate a jon boat, and even then, you're better off just wading them anyway, IMO. Seems like a lot of money to fork out for something that is kind of a one trick pony, and not the best trained one for that show at that. The Hiawasse from what I understand is a different story as well as many the S. HOlston in areas, but not the Caney. The best rig I ever saw out there was a guide who had a gheenoe with a jet 30 on the back and and an oar placement in the middle where the two clients could stand up on either end with stability and have plenty of room to cast and fish. Smart, very smart.

Bob, the day I even consider picking up the fly rod and do this "challenge" thing is the day I feel like I've tapped into the potential of the tailrace and have accumulated the peak of knowledge that i can on that body. Until then I'm going ot use the means of tackle that I"m most fluent on. By peak knowledge, I mean that I can take conventional efficient means and pull 30" fish regularly, like 1 out of every 4 trips. It can be done, I know. They are there, and I'm sure it can be done with some of the approaches I want to try. Only time will tell...I have seen them far too consistently on my presentation to know that I'm that far off.

By the way, I use an 802 Abu Garcia and a short stout spinning rod taht I customize by breaking off the first 6 inches, not a zebco 202. And I've never used corn or worms on that river in my life. Besides, I know guys that use that kind of tackle and outfish the guys you are referring to as the more "physically and mentally" astute anglers all the time. Tackle means nothing. Knowledge is everything; tackle is only serving as a tool to accomplish it.

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#1228392 - 03/10/09 01:11 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: Tubakka]
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Btw the way BD, if you ever want to get back a lost rod, pick up a few spoonplugs. I've caught back more rods than you can imagine, both mine and my friends lost on the day, and old tackle as well. Got a few nice reels combos that way trolling roadbeds. My dad one time, in one day, trolling the same point, caught back 8 lures he had lost previously off a single stump. It was almost supernatural...one of them was hooked to the lure then hooked to another line, which was then attached to another lure...?!?!?! They hug the bottom like nothing else.
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#1228409 - 03/10/09 01:22 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: Tubakka]
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BD,
All you have to have on a Loomis is the butt section with the name Loomis on it and it replaced, no questions asked, and no warranty cards. I called and had this clarified before I sunk money into my 9wt 4pc. Cross Current as my new striper/salt rod.

Tubs,
You sound like a Democrat/Socialist....I mean you want everyone to own a john boat or nothing else? Geez, fish the way you want, and I will fish the way I want. I personally love drift boats and had one for years. I could care less how someone fishes as long as they obey the laws.

Take my fishing advise....Lighten up, life is too short. Your libel to get hypertensive ranting about jerkbaits and hating flyfishermen, develop a small tear in your Left Anterior Descending, develop some plague and clot, especially if you smoke...and then...hell it want matter how you fished or anyone else for that matter.


Edited by 7mm08 (03/10/09 01:25 PM)
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#1228497 - 03/10/09 02:12 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: 7mm08]
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I'm buying a grill for my little pond boat. After reading Gil's account of a similar setup I can't deny it.

If I ever find that rod I will not toast it.

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#1228581 - 03/10/09 03:34 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: Trapper John]
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Oh just give me a breast pump and let me take a walk in the woods.

It's just fishing. It aint like it is important.
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#1228589 - 03/10/09 03:39 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Oh just give me a breast pump and let me take a walk in the woods.


That one really got me! \:D \:D \:D
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#1230231 - 03/11/09 11:38 AM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: Tubakka]
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 Originally Posted By: Tubakka
Btw the way BD, if you ever want to get back a lost rod, pick up a few spoonplugs.


Whew. I thought there was no possible way Buck Perry could be brought into this conversation, but you went and did it.



Nice work!

bd

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#1230265 - 03/11/09 11:59 AM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: gil1]
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Hey BD, the forecasted generation schedule poses some opportunity to get in the water by that tree. Looks like it is a bit relaxed for the next 5 days. I just hope it's still there and hasn't been trampled on. Good luck in finding it. We didn't have enough time to go looking before the water hit .
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#1230327 - 03/11/09 12:55 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: TNFishnstix]
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Thanks for trying for me. I'll be up there at some point this weekend and I'll have a look around for sure. Even if it's been trampled, I'd still love to get it back because it takes the suspense out of the warranty issue.

bd

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#1232665 - 03/12/09 03:48 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: TNFishnstix]
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Tubs, Buck Perry came to me in a dream and said he had never heard of you.
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#1232670 - 03/12/09 03:49 PM Re: Lost Rod Sections on the Caney Fork [Re: TNFishnstix]
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Tubs, got the Ouija board out and summoned Buck Perry,he said he had never heard of you.
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