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#1219853 - 03/06/09 07:06 AM 12 in crappie minimum.....
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any support for that in tennessee? really doing a job down in mississippi corp resevoirs. i think it would work well in all of tennesse east of miss river floodplain.
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#1219857 - 03/06/09 07:08 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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I think the 10" minimum is working just fine here .
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#1219878 - 03/06/09 07:20 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: Radar]
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#1220337 - 03/06/09 10:50 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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I don't think you'd ever get a 12" limit passed here.

Even if you could, I don't think it would accomplish the same sort of results. Crappie growth rates on the reservoirs in Mississippi are faster. Their 12" fish and our 10" fish are probably not that much different in age.

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#1220345 - 03/06/09 10:54 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: B.D.]
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#1220354 - 03/06/09 10:59 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: Mathews Hunter]
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This page has some data you should find interesting:

http://www.tennessee.gov/twra/fish/Reservoir/Research/crappie.html

Not conclusive by any means, but there may be reason to believe that some reservoirs in TN might actually benefit from LOWERING the size limit to 9" rather than raising it to 12".

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#1220420 - 03/06/09 11:31 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: B.D.]
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#1220500 - 03/06/09 11:51 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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#1220955 - 03/06/09 02:15 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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i just cant see what a 12" minimum would accomplish on the lakes i fish. they need to lower it to about 9-7/8" that way i can catch one that i can keep. \:\)
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#1221051 - 03/06/09 03:10 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: buckdead]
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#1221160 - 03/06/09 04:09 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: luke]
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i got the size limit changed in a certain lake , but had to call everybody except the prez to make it happen ,, some folks on here might remember the dealing i had with them but its lowered to 8 inch min now , dont really look for it to stay that way thow , but it will be good for the lake , the crappie in the lake iam talkin about were stunted and you hardly ever cought one that was ten inches but you would catch hundreds that were 9 1/2
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#1221445 - 03/06/09 07:37 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: B.D.]
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 Originally Posted By: Brian Dunigan
I don't think you'd ever get a 12" limit passed here.

Even if you could, I don't think it would accomplish the same sort of results. Crappie growth rates on the reservoirs in Mississippi are faster. Their 12" fish and our 10" fish are probably not that much different in age.

bd


makes sense.

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#1222141 - 03/07/09 06:01 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: population control]
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 Originally Posted By: population control
i got the size limit changed in a certain lake , but had to call everybody except the prez to make it happen ,, some folks on here might remember the dealing i had with them but its lowered to 8 inch min now , dont really look for it to stay that way thow , but it will be good for the lake , the crappie in the lake iam talkin about were stunted and you hardly ever cought one that was ten inches but you would catch hundreds that were 9 1/2


the same can be said for ft. loudon/tellico. when you catch 50+ fish and only 2 or 3 BARELY measure 10 inches, something is not right.
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#1222144 - 03/07/09 06:14 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: stik]
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Don't count your chickens to quick. They passed the 15" and 18" rule on Pickwick with ZERO biological data. All it takes is a little pressure from the right folks with some $$ to get it done.

TWRA still being laughed at over that one.

Plus, crappie limits are set for much different reasons than bass limits. Kinda deer and turkeys. Two totally different animals.
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#1222286 - 03/07/09 08:34 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik

the same can be said for ft. loudon/tellico. when you catch 50+ fish and only 2 or 3 BARELY measure 10 inches, something is not right.


The link I posted above backs you up on this. Tellico is in a category by itself - it's just not very fertile. TWRA's data showed that it takes around 4.5 years for a crappie to reach 10 inches in Tellico, and they simply don't live much longer than that.

I expect that at some point the size limits will be taken off of Tellico, because the science is showing that they just don't do any good. I'm sure TWRA was trying to keep things simple for anglers by instituting a statewide size limit, but crappie growth is so different in the different reservoirs that they're probably going to have to go to lake-by-lake regulation eventually.

Oh - by the way... as long as we're discussing Tellico, I'll throw in again that we ought to destroy Tellico dam. \:\)

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#1222634 - 03/07/09 02:15 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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 Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
Don't count your chickens to quick. They passed the 15" and 18" rule on Pickwick with ZERO biological data. All it takes is a little pressure from the right folks with some $$ to get it done.

TWRA still being laughed at over that one.

Plus, crappie limits are set for much different reasons than bass limits. Kinda deer and turkeys. Two totally different animals.


Crappie are much more prolific than Bass are . In smaller waters Crappie can become stunted if they are allowed to overpopulate.
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#1222658 - 03/07/09 02:55 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: Radar]
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I have to agree with the ones that said 9 3/4". \:D
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#1222670 - 03/07/09 03:02 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: RUGER]
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I'm sick of the 10 inch limit myself.
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#1222781 - 03/07/09 03:37 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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change it to 9 31/32" That seems to be the main size I catch!
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#1222807 - 03/07/09 04:25 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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The 12" limit in MS wasn't put in place as a trophy mgmt thing anyway, it was a reaction to the MAJOR increase in fishing pressure the lakes have experienced in the last 10 years or so, purely defensive. That's from the mouth of the biologist who sets the regs over there.
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#1222811 - 03/07/09 04:43 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook

I would again, not like a 12" min. on crappie here, and wish they would up the limit back to 30 fish. It just doesn't take very long to catch 15.


I remember "back in the day" before the limit, when people would roll into the ramp on Priest and Kentucky Lake with stringers of 100 or 150 crappie. Same dudes would do it several weekends in a row sometimes on a good spring. To each his own, but I never could understand why a person could want that many fish to eat.

Heck, forget eating - who wants to clean that many fish? \:\)

I've just known too many people who pack their freezer plum full of filets and then wind up throwing half of them away when they get freezer burned. Just greedy in my book.

Bill Dance used to say "keep what you can use, and release the rest"...

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#1222902 - 03/07/09 06:28 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: B.D.]
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 Originally Posted By: Brian Dunigan
 Originally Posted By: captain hook

I would again, not like a 12" min. on crappie here, and wish they would up the limit back to 30 fish. It just doesn't take very long to catch 15.


I remember "back in the day" before the limit, when people would roll into the ramp on Priest and Kentucky Lake with stringers of 100 or 150 crappie. Same dudes would do it several weekends in a row sometimes on a good spring. To each his own, but I never could understand why a person could want that many fish to eat.

Heck, forget eating - who wants to clean that many fish? \:\)

I've just known too many people who pack their freezer plum full of filets and then wind up throwing half of them away when they get freezer burned. Just greedy in my book.

Bill Dance used to say "keep what you can use, and release the rest"...

bd


Hey Brian, you need to come to one of our redneck, southern, lost creek anytime of the year fish fries.

It will answer many of your questions.

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#1223658 - 03/08/09 09:42 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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ashame there is not a practical way to improve fertility.
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#1223869 - 03/08/09 12:50 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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#1224204 - 03/08/09 05:17 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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#1224416 - 03/08/09 07:35 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
Another pounding was unleased today on Loudon by me and 3 buddies, we took our 60 keepers and fired up the Alabama buzz blade. Can you hear the grease poppin? No shortage of fish, and no problem with recruitment best I can tell.


what size they running over there hook? i just can't keep a 10 incher unless i need em bad. about 11 is my personal minimum on tenn river, reelfoot or anywhere.

i guess it is possible that a higher minimum might create some sort of pop explosion of smaller fish, but i doubt it. the 10in min did not have that effect. i think it would work.

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#1224571 - 03/08/09 09:00 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
 Originally Posted By: captain hook
Another pounding was unleased today on Loudon by me and 3 buddies, we took our 60 keepers and fired up the Alabama buzz blade. Can you hear the grease poppin? No shortage of fish, and no problem with recruitment best I can tell.


what size they running over there hook? i just can't keep a 10 incher unless i need em bad. about 11 is my personal minimum on tenn river, reelfoot or anywhere.

i guess it is possible that a higher minimum might create some sort of pop explosion of smaller fish, but i doubt it. the 10in min did not have that effect. i think it would work.


the 10 in. minimum DID have that effect.when you catch 50+ fish and only 2 or 3 barely measure 10 inches. something is wrong.
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#1225136 - 03/08/09 11:53 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
Pics \:D \:D Sorry, but not really into taking pictures of crappie. Just doesn't get my blood going to have albums of fish on stringers. Think of it sort of like going to the grocery store and taking pictures of steaks \:\)



come on now we all like to brag on our catches
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#1225230 - 03/09/09 06:11 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook

Save your lectures on fish harvests.


Holy cow. The TNDeer forum has got to be the most defensive, easily offended, angriest discussion board on the entire Internet. Un-bunch your panties a little.

I didn't say I wanted the limit any lower than it is now, and I didn't say I supported the 12" minimum that started this whole discussion. All I said was that 100 to 150 crappie every weekend seemed like a little more than some folks needed.

So maybe I'm wrong - maybe all those people are holding weekly fish fries. I've known people who put fish in the freezer and later threw them out, but maybe my experience is unique on TNDeer.

Not a lecture guys, just a comment. Un-bunch your fists for a while and settle down.

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#1225286 - 03/09/09 07:10 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: B.D.]
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 Originally Posted By: Brian Dunigan
 Originally Posted By: captain hook

Save your lectures on fish harvests.


Holy cow. The TNDeer forum has got to be the most defensive, easily offended, angriest discussion board on the entire Internet. Un-bunch your panties a little.

I didn't say I wanted the limit any lower than it is now, and I didn't say I supported the 12" minimum that started this whole discussion. All I said was that 100 to 150 crappie every weekend seemed like a little more than some folks needed.

So maybe I'm wrong - maybe all those people are holding weekly fish fries. I've known people who put fish in the freezer and later threw them out, but maybe my experience is unique on TNDeer.

Not a lecture guys, just a comment. Un-bunch your fists for a while and settle down.

bd



Its funny that he will defend himself keeping a bunch of crappie, but if someone else decides to keep a limit of trout he attacks them and blames them for ruining a fishery. I guess the crappie arent as important to him.


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#1225445 - 03/09/09 09:11 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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The "un-bunch your panties" part of my post was uncalled for, and I withdraw it. I should wake up a little more before I start posting. \:\)

Anyway, my comments were solely directed at the "freezer fillers," as you called them. I wasn't trying to lecture you on conservation at all, just talking about what I remember from the "old days." I have no problem with people keeping fish, within reason, and crappie can certainly withstand some harvest as long as it doesn't go overboard.

I agree with you 100 percent on the Clinch.

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#1226109 - 03/09/09 05:02 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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I wish I could fill my freezer right now. It wouldn't take much, to much venison in there. \:\)

I have fond memories of my Dad and his best friend filling the cabin freezer(s) with Crappie. (in the basement)

They had an old washing machine out back that had been modified to have a chicken wire basket. They could put a good mess of crappie in there.

Turn it on and in about 15 minutes the scales would be pouring out of the bottom of that washer and the fish would be slick as a whistle

They had numerous 1 gallon milk jugs with the about the top 25% cut away. They then filled the jugs with water about halfway full and placed the fish in them with the tail up.

These jugs would hold a mess of crappie.

It was always a treat for me to go down there and open a freezer and see all those tails sticking out of those jugs.:)

Finally they also had a gas grill modified to be a fish cooker and they cooked so often they would never change the grease until May 1rst. They never crappie fished after May 1rst. (catfish biten then).

Sorry this is so long but I never, ever saw those guys throw away fish. Give away yes but not throw away. (they also never filleted a crappie) It really is better fried whole.

So if you ever saw my dad and his best friend at the ramp with a load of slabs you can rest assured they weren't wasted.

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#1226136 - 03/09/09 05:13 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: OldHunter]
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i can remember days when i was a kid catching crappies and having to make 2 trips up the hill to carry all the fish. and you can bet, every last one was eaten.
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#1226139 - 03/09/09 05:15 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: stik]
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I wish there was a 9 inch minimum today.

Thats about all that was hitting
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#1226153 - 03/09/09 05:22 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
Don't know what it means, but me and buddy pounded 30 keepers in 1.5 hours today on Loudon. Whenever the limit was 30 it would take us longer, but we would usually catch our 60 fish limits of 10" plus fish in half a day.

There seems to be no shortage of 10"+ fish IMO. Alot of the fish we had today were around 12" but very few over 12".

I would again, not like a 12" min. on crappie here, and wish they would up the limit back to 30 fish. It just doesn't take very long to catch 15.


Captain, you should think about fishing professionally. If you have those skills let them pay you! Good Luck.

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#1226180 - 03/09/09 05:53 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: B.D.]
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i would have to see it to believe that crappie would overpopulate in the tennessee river system with a twelve inch minimum, with the abundance of predator fish in that river. what about fifty years ago when fishing pressure had zero affect on the population? was there a time back then that the lake was overpopulated? never heard of it. that argument is most likely a crutch for folks who don't want to work for their fish. by the way, once the fish get larger, it's no harder to catch a good mess of big ones than the ten inch babies so many bucket fishermen are content with. some of you guys need to grow up and develop some better standards.
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#1226225 - 03/09/09 06:22 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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I don't think the crappie would overpopulate and stunt in a reservoir as big as Kentucky Lake or Old Hickory. Too much room and too much forage. It's not like a farm pond where they can crowd out.

On the other hand, if a crappie's average life expectancy is 4.5 years and the growth rate takes them 5 years to reach 12 inches, you can impose 12 inch size limits from Memphis to Bristol and you aren't going to get many keeper fish.

bd


Edited by Brian Dunigan (03/09/09 06:22 PM)

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#1226791 - 03/09/09 10:03 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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i don't know or care about life expectancy of a fish. that is more crap. i do know crappie get big in the tennessee river.
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#1226838 - 03/09/09 10:12 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
i don't know or care about life expectancy of a fish.


Well, the biologists do - the regs work better if there's some science to back them up. Turns out crappie don't live forever.

I guess if they did, we could set a 30 inch size limit on crappie and all have fun catching giant ones. But it doesn't work that way.

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#1227304 - 03/10/09 06:05 AM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: B.D.]
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One thing that has to taken into consideration ,especially on KY lake is the wide lake level fluctuations during the spring that can wipe out a year class.
I have seen flood levels when the crappie go up into the bushes to spawn , then the TVA drops the bottom out , leaving the beds high and dry. Drought conditions also have a negative effect on the population.
I believe it takes 3 years to reach 10."
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#1232570 - 03/12/09 03:14 PM Re: 12 in crappie minimum..... [Re: ]
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It depends on when the water comes up.

I remember reading at one point that Watts Bar was having problems because the crappie would start spawning at winter pool level, and then the water would come up and the spawn would be ruined because the beds were too deep. I think they were going to adjust the date when they started filling to summer pool to try and help the crappie, but I don't live in that area so I don't know if it ever got done or not.

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