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#1215748 - 03/04/09 04:39 PM The Definition of Irony
Tubakka
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From an anonymous tip [Thanks Biglures...wait...], I recently found that the trophytnfishing Caney section forum became public again [huzzah...]. But a friend of mine still at tech whom I got hooked on trout fishing [he has yet to harvest a legal brown by the way...though he has caught a couple] found a recent thread that specifically mentioned me by name after I told him to look there for info on recent reports and such [even he found it amazing that he couldn't find a trout forum that specifically directed attention to conventional tackle anglers...hmmm *sniff sniff* smells like...promise...]. Frankly, I think its so ridiculously incredible that I am still the iconic figurehead of raping natural resources, and of course, if anyone keeps a legal brown ever, it's somehow my fault, especially since I've only fished the Caney from the fall of '07 to the spring of '08...but that's not really the ironic part.

...I imagine that a thread that appeared recently on this forum spawned from this concerning the lack of large browns in the Caney due to the single efforts of yours truly simply stating that it doesn't make you a member of the occult to harvest a legal fish in a put-and-take fishery and that resources like that are build to withstand, be augmented by, and EASILY take far more abuse than they're being given, and also that theoretically education is moot. It must be done by regulation, which is in truth, fact. If you're expecting everyone to give up the pleasure of taking a nice brown home to the table now and then [which if you haven't, no offense, you're missing out on one of the greatest things in freshwater, one that cannot be bought in a store or farm raised...and yes, FACT a 22" brown tastes FAR better than a 12" rainbow...] you're going to have quite a wait.

All this aside, in such a statement, there was a remark made about a guy who was one of my "neophytes" or something [probably don't even know the guy] who had put an 8 and 4 pound brown in the freezer that week. While yes, I think the regs need to be tightened but not embargoed completely....if you close harvest on the Caney, guess what...you'll close the stocking as well...the FUNNY THING IS!!!...here they were in one swoop saying how there were "no big browns left in the Caney" and yet...here is a conventional tackle angler IN A CANOE who's taken two big fish within a week...and he's not the only one [caught I mean, I don't know about harvest past that one testimonial]. Here they keep pleading and pleading and saying how the resource is just totally wasted, and gone to pot over my rantings...and to cite such claims, they are using their OWN lack of success pitted against the successful catch and harvest of legal browns [saying there are no fish over 18" in it anymore] DURING SIMULTANEOUSLY ANGLING. Am I the ONLY one that smells how ridiculous that assault is? I don't mean to start a brush fire [although...sure enough, some's going to drop their drawers, spew the methane, and here we have another deca-thread on our hands....] but seriously...can we come to an agreement that in a fishery that is put-and-take it's not completely evil to harvest, and as evidenced by this [NOT A SINGLE SHOCKING STUDY, which proves nothing, especially when stacked against the recent creel takes of my friends still in TN] fact? I really really really really get tired of getting a beating for thinking a bit more abstract than just "take fish = bad/throw back fish=good" There is something great about a fishery like this that can accomodate both ridiculous stocking and managed to be augmented by the take of a few larger sized fish through regulation and enforcement, as well. I'm sorry, but I refuse to hop on the new age bandwagon that 21st century angling is all about catch-and-release. We used to go FULL ON the OTHER WAY, and of course, THAT RUINED resources, but now we go FULL ON this way and neither of them are the answer.

...seriously, is there not some kind of compromise that can be reached without all this name calling and such? It gets old..and let's not forget, the only reason I even began to post on these things was because of how terribly myself and friends were treated for keeping legal fish, virtually spat on and threatened, and those who were doing it actually had no intelligent basis behind it except for "THAT FISH A' DEAD NYAH...". You start telling them that the large fish are competing for resources at a much higher stake and have no natural predators other than man, and through the regulation many are reaching that size of 18" where they all are competing for larger prey but not a whole lot are being taken out, and the periodic harvest of a few larger fish can enhance the quality of trophy fish in a fishery so heavily stocked...and they just scratch their heads, not to MENTION that there is NO reproduction in the Caney due to fluctuating water levels... It's like it doesn't even register...

I still say, one of the best quotes in the context of this discussion [and I'd like it to become a discussion, not lobbing dictionapalm at one another] is by a former flyfishing guide...

..."if a bunch of hungry rednecks can ruin a fishery, then the TWRA isn't doing their job..."

Amen....

Because the only way we're going to get anything done here is ot realize that the harvesters are still going to want to harvest, the catch and release guys are going to catch and release no matter what, and neither are going to change the others minds. So...a compromise must be made.

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#1215757 - 03/04/09 04:48 PM Re: The Definition of Irony [Re: Tubakka]
smstone22
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A slot limit perhaps?
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#1215763 - 03/04/09 04:51 PM Re: The Definition of Irony [Re: smstone22]
Tubakka
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I've stated my case...

....2 browns per day...1 between 20-24" and another either 28+ or 30+ [make it 30"+]. That way someone can take a nice one home for the table and then if someone gets a true trophy and they want to take it home to the wall, they have that option, and if they want to get a fiberglass then they reserve that right as well. But I just get sick of the blatant attacks of a bunch of fish that get dumped off by the truckload.
Rainbows? I think a 10-14" slot with 4 fish taken so the old guys at the rv parks can have their fun, and then 1 fish over 20-22". Makes sense to me....

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#1215766 - 03/04/09 04:54 PM Re: The Definition of Irony [Re: Tubakka]
smstone22
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I think that is perfectly sensible.
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#1215772 - 03/04/09 04:57 PM Re: The Definition of Irony [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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I just hope people are smart enough to realize that by closing harvest of the fishery entirely they are completely ignoring a demographic that will in turn no longer utilize the resource and stocking will decline significantly to that river. I don't think they realize how much of the money from those stocking efforts doesn't come from the die-hards and year-passers, but the people who come down a couple weekends a year to canoe and take a few fish and then go home. I mean, 3 consecutive day stamps equals the price of a year one if I recall maybe a bit more...

...there is a line to walk here. Harvest HAS to be included in these fisheries, period. It's the nature for their existence. And I do not think this utopian trout fishery that people seem to believe could exist if no harvest was incited...does. Newsflash, there are untapped troves of large trout in the river, as evidenced by these guys using rainbows for bait [amen brothers, fight on...if you catch this fish legally on your stamp in your daily limit, they're YOURS to do with what you want...]. I've heard way too many stories in the past few months of my friends up there having MONSTROSITIES come up to boat with the size and swagger of a rockfish or musky to take a swipe at a poor maligned rainbow or sublegal brown to believe that "all the big fish are gone". What river ARE you fishing guys? Change up tactics; I know the next time I'm back, the smallest thing to grace my line will be 3/4 of an ounce and 5" long, and that's only if things are particularly slow.

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#1215774 - 03/04/09 04:58 PM Re: The Definition of Irony [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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Thanks Stone,
I don't think that particular sequence of words has ever been used to describe me, on this board or any other...or in real life for that matter.

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#1215790 - 03/04/09 05:06 PM Re: The Definition of Irony [Re: Tubakka]
smstone22
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Im just looking at it from a standpoint of what will make all the users of the Caney the happiest and the least upset with the regs. Like you said, lots of folks like to harvest fish to eat, lots of folks like to catch and release fish also. Neither group is wrong, eating trout is perfectly fine. A happy medium just has to be found for both groups and I think a slot limit accomplishes that very well.
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#1215903 - 03/04/09 06:21 PM Re: The Definition of Irony [Re: smstone22]
bigluresonly
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Whatever makes the trout bigger I am in favor of.

Tubbs, you are the most diehard fisherman I know. I have floated the caney sun up to sundown with you, floated with you in the middle of the pitch black night even. You have a 28" beautifull male brown on your wall which I admire but your longwinded posts sometimes make you out to be a douche. BTW where is my tackle box?

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#1215917 - 03/04/09 06:27 PM Re: The Definition of Irony [Re: madMax]
gil1
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I'm worn out. I'm not biting on your bad B.S. anymore. I'm hoping that folks have enough sense to understand that you have a serious problem and need help.

Why don't you troll on the site that you're all pissy about? Could it be that it's because they showed you the door? Could it be that they don't put up with the psycho factor over there?

There's zero reason for you to be stirring it up over here. I'm out. I will not open this thread again - life's too short.
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#1215933 - 03/04/09 06:36 PM Re: The Definition of Irony [Re: gil1]
madMax
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[grabs some popcorn]
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