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#1214522 - 03/04/09 12:59 AM 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice???
Swamphunter
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My 10 year old will be going on his first turkey hunt in a couple weeks. He has a Rossi single shot 20 gauge with a modified choke barrell (not a screw in choke). It will shoot 3 or 2 3/4 shells. If any of you have shot a 20 with mod. choke, what shells worked well? What was the effective range? Obviously, I am going to pattern shoot the gun, but looking for some tips. Thanks!
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#1214640 - 03/04/09 07:05 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Swamphunter]
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Try the Federal shells with the Flight Control wads. I would say it would be good out to 25-30 yards.
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#1214647 - 03/04/09 07:08 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Swamphunter]
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every gun is different, for a 20 i'd try win.supreme #4 shot.
That bird really needs to be in at least 30 yards anyways for most 20's jmo. So i'd be more concerned with the setup than the shell. If he's alittle shy of the shells, i'd let him shoot the 2 3/4 to practice and slip in a 3 for the hunt.He will never notice if he's shootin at a gobbler!

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#1214652 - 03/04/09 07:15 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: XMAN]
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You might look at the hevi-shot #6's. You will get more pellets and more downrange energy from them. I don't think it is necessary in a 12 ga. but in a 20 ga. it should help, especially with a modified choke.

I shoot Winchester Supreme loads out of my 20 ga, and it will rock a bird out to 30 yards. Maybe further, I just have never pushed it. I also shoot a kicks choke.
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#1214841 - 03/04/09 08:44 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: captain hook]
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Many of the 12 ga offerings are simply not available in 20 ga. with some of the more popular "turkey" loads. Among them, the Winchester Supremes are available in a pretty "hot" turkey load.

But going to steer you in a little different direction since you have a "modified" choke:

Go with smaller shot, so you'll get a denser pattern.

Consider these nickel-plated #7 1/2 "Pheasant" loads from Fiocchi. Due to the hard nickel plating, good velocity, I believe these particular #7 1/2's would have adequate energy to take down a turkey out to 40 yards, and just possibly enough density for a high-probability shot even out to 40 yards with a modified choke ---- you'll only find out by pattern testing them.

Best of all, they are "cheap" compared to most "turkey" loads.
Price is for a box of 25.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templa...0841&hasJS=true

These 20 ga. loads are available in a 2 3/4" 1 oz, or a 3" 1 1/4 oz.
$17.49 for a box of 25, and will also double as a good squirrel shell.

Other than the Fiocchi's, I believe you'd have to load your own or custom order to get nickel-plated shot.
Here' what the Nitro Custom Ammo Company says regarding nickel:
. . . . . the choice of nickel or copper plated shot. Nickel shot penetrates deeper because it is harder and stays more round at longer distances . . . . nickel shot penetrates deeper because it will not pull feathers. Copper deforms more and loses its pattern at longer range.

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#1214985 - 03/04/09 09:47 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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My little brother uses a mossberg 500 20g and shoots the winchester supreme #5 shot. He's deadly out to 45 yards, but this is with a turkey choke.
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#1215066 - 03/04/09 10:32 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: BV]
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I have a Winchester model 120 youth model 20 gauge that has a modified barrel on it. My nephew used it last year to kill his first turkey. Shot it at appx. 20 yards. I know my brother used 3" shells and I believe he used Winchester Supremes.

Edited by Gravey (03/04/09 11:32 AM)
Edit Reason: added shot distance for reference
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#1215097 - 03/04/09 10:47 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Gravey]
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I'd speculate that inexperienced (or youth) turkey hunters might actually INCREASE their odds at bagging a called up turkey by using a plain old "Modified" choke rather than an ultra-tight "turkey" choke.

The advantages of a basketball size pattern vs. a baseball size one have become quite apparent to even many experienced turkey slayers when they have just flat out missed a turkey's head at 20 yards. \:\)

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#1215112 - 03/04/09 10:55 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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from what ive been told and what ive actually looked at walmart...they dont sell a 2 3/4 for 20ga... at least walmart dont... thisll be my first year and i have a 20ga w/ full choke but only takes 2 3/4" and sure enough i cant find them at walmart so im faced w/ getting a whole new gun! please correct me if im wrong
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#1215132 - 03/04/09 11:03 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: BUCKYJR]
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Bucky,

Just order some of those Fiocchi "pheasant" shells in 2 3/4 inch, or go somewhere, anywhere, other than Wal-mart, and you can find some 2 3/4-inch high brass 20 gauge shells.

You should have no problem finding these in #6 shot, although without ordering, you may have a problem finding in the preferred copper (or nickel) plated shot.

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#1215154 - 03/04/09 11:16 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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wes,
im not real big on ordering ammo...really im not that knowledgable about the diff kinds either lol.... but i have regular ol pheasant shot at home... are you saying i can use pheasant shot on a turkey?

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#1215165 - 03/04/09 11:18 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: BUCKYJR]
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 Originally Posted By: BUCKYJR
... are you saying i can use pheasant shot on a turkey?

Absolutely!

Most of the turkeys I have killed in years past were with the same shells I used for squirrel hunting ---- just high-brass #5 or #6 shot. In Kansas, they called them "pheasant" shells; in TN, we called them "squirrel" shells. \:\)
And before lead shot was outlawed for waterfowling, many Tennessee hunters just called them "heavy" loads, buying a case of these every year, using them for rabbits, ducks, and squirrels. Then you had your "light" loads for doves & quail.

At 35 yards or less, it may not matter much at all what shells you are using. At 40 yards, I generally wouldn't want anything with shot smaller than #6 (although nickel-plated #7 1/2's might suffice to 40 yards). But a #6 lead shot is a #6 lead shot, no matter whether it's called a "pheasant", a "squirrel", or a "turkey" load (mainly for marketing purposes).

It's my opinion that most turkeys are killed at under 35 yards, and it's a fact I've killed most of mine at under 30 yards --- so there may be other factors in turkey hunting that are more important than the particular shells, the particular choke, or the particular gun you are using.

Enjoy using what you have, and realize you have little disadvantage if you don't have the most modern "turkey" gun and shells.

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#1215193 - 03/04/09 11:30 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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well im gonna have to check what # and "material" the shot i have at home is... the guys at work are wanting me to get an actual turkey gun (which i may still very well do) but its nice to know that i could use my current gun if all else fails... my buddy said that pheasant load would only be lethal out to 15yrds or so on a turkey....?
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#1219000 - 03/05/09 07:50 PM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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My son hs the exact same thing. He has a Rossi 20-Ga with a Modified barrel.
We shot it this evening and I think he is deadly out to 25-yds, maybe a little farther. We used 3" Remington Nitro #4.
The gun actually has alot more kick than I expected. Especially with these loads. He was brave and shot 5 times.
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#1221157 - 03/06/09 04:07 PM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: RussellvilleRob]
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Thanks for all the opinions. I was at the local ammo dealer today and he had some 3" 20 gauge Win. Supreme Elite Ext. Range #5's. I bought a box to try and here are the results:

This target is 20 yards. 29 pellets in the head and neck. At 25 yards the pellet count in the head and neck dropped to 15. I think I will limit him to 25 yards and hope we can get a 20 yard shot. What do you think?


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#1221187 - 03/06/09 04:32 PM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Swamphunter]
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I think you might have better luck & be cheaper to try the Federal shells with the Flight Control wads. The wads are made to stay with the shot longer giving you a little more range.... couldn't hurt to try a box....
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#1221189 - 03/06/09 04:32 PM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Swamphunter]
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Thats one dead bird. It sure helps your confidence to see those patterns on paper.
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#1222502 - 03/07/09 12:18 PM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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nitro makes 20 gauge turkey loads
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#1235875 - 03/14/09 06:13 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: renegade50]
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My nephew has the same Rossi 20ga. Mod. fixed choke. I took him last weekend to pattern it. We shot one shot with the Remington #5 shot. It looked pretty good at 30 yards. But, he complained about the recoil. I let him rest a few minutes and tried the same load in the Winchester brand and he flinced so badly only about half the load even hit the paper. So I think I will take him to the High brass #6's in 2 3/4 we used for squirrel hunting. I'm thinking the Mod. choke is going to limit us to about a 25 to 30 yard shot. So, the lighter loads should be fine at that distance and he won't have to hurt so much (read flinch).
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#1237957 - 03/15/09 09:00 AM Re: 20 gauge/mod. choke shell advice??? [Re: Hoss]
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i tried those ext.range. results were not near as good as a regular win.supreme. just a thought.
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