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#1206753 - 02/28/09 06:31 PM #5's vs #6s
cruff10
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I have a benilli nova with a mad maxx choke.

i've been pleased in shooting 3" #5 out of it, pretty good patters, shot multiple turkeys at various ranges, 25 yards to 55 yards. Either Remington Nitros or Premiums (mostly premiums, the $13 box)

I had a old #6 Winchester supreme that use to shoot with my 870 So i shoot it with the nova just for kicks and giggles. The pattern was a bit tighter! Couldn't believe the difference.

Tonight, my brother in law bought some federal 3" #6 shells and wanted me to try one. Yet again a way tighter pattern.

Now i'm thinking of switching to #6's.

Now for the questions!

Are you giving up my knockdown power in the #6's vs. the #5?

Will or should you get better or less distance in the #6s vs the #5s?

Is there any negatives between the two?

(LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!)

( I know just shoot and see but I wanted to see opinions on here)


Edited by cruff10 (02/28/09 06:31 PM)

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#1206790 - 02/28/09 06:55 PM Re: #5's vs #6s [Re: cruff10]
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cuff,

I shoot a Benneli Nova with a gobble stopper choke. I shoot the Federal 3 1/2" flight control #6 out of mine. I want as much lead down range as I can get. The added volume of 6 shot gives you more opportunity for coverage. That's my theory anyway. I have shot them all and by far the Federals are the best IMO.
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#1206803 - 02/28/09 07:04 PM Re: #5's vs #6s [Re: ]
deerchaser007
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I like 6 shot.

But , i purchased today the remington premier magnum loads, copperplated lead 3 inch, with 4 & 6 in the same shell. I had to try them for 14.99 a box. Called duplex!!
Also got the Hevi shot 3 inch 6 shot with the 2 oz instead of the 1 5/8. Should be alittle more hit with that 6 shot.
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#1206875 - 02/28/09 07:49 PM Re: #5's vs #6s [Re: deerchaser007]
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#1206962 - 02/28/09 08:31 PM Re: #5's vs #6s [Re: Game Eye]
cruff10
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 Originally Posted By: Game Eye
5's


Explain why? not just what ya shoot!!! Master Turkey Hunter Game Eye \:\)

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#1207329 - 02/28/09 10:17 PM Re: #5's vs #6s [Re: ]
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Cause I said so.
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#1207372 - 02/28/09 10:36 PM Re: #5's vs #6s [Re: Game Eye]
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#6's are plenty enough to kill a turkey. #6 hevi shot is even better and is what i preffer over lead. my buddy let me shoot one of his nitro straight 7's and if i had that kind of money to spend on shotgun shells that is what i would shoot.
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#1207526 - 03/01/09 06:57 AM Re: #5's vs #6s [Re: buckdead]
cruff10
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Interesting read from http://www.chuckhawks.com/patterning_turkey_loads.htm


It has been estimated, which is about as close as you can really get, that it takes about 2.5 foot lbs. of energy to penetrate a turkey's head and neck with your pellet reliably. Looking at lead shotshell ballistics, a 1315 fps load of No. 6 shot has 2.5 foot lbs. of energy at 40 yards. Beyond that, it drops of to 1.7 foot pounds at 60 yards.

Number 5 shot, on the other hand, launched at the same velocity (1315 fps) retains 3.5 foot pounds of energy at 40 yards, and still retains the "needed" 2.5 foot lbs. of energy at 60 yards. Common sense suggests that #5 shot is a more reliably lethal pellet past 40 yards.

Naturally, the lethality of a pellet moots itself if we don't have enough pattern density to insure a 100% chance of three pellets in the turkey head. To insure that, we'd like to need to see around 20 pellets in a turkey target head along with good pellet density above, below, to the left, and to the right of the turkey target to address head movement, wind drift, and movement of the turkey head as the shot is fired. We also want density above and below, to cover the turkeys that are not at the range we are patterning at. So far, so what?

Well, finding a suitable turkey load should not be particularly esoteric. Ad-brags suggest that 18,000,000 holes are better than twenty in a turkey head, but that is only wishful thinking. It only takes one pellet in the right place to kill a turkey, and our 20 pellet approximate goal insures more than that. 100% lethality is as good as it gets, and no turkey can get much deader than completely dead. It reads like a boring concept constructed to sell nothing, and it is. It is the spectacularly boring concept of "adequacy." Either a load and pattern is perfectly adequate for our application, or it is not, it's as simple as that.

The basics of patterning for a more or less stationary target like a turkey (more stationary than a mallard, certainly) is to pattern at the distances we intent to hunt at, using a very large sheet of butcher paper to capture enough of our shot cloud. If our gun is not shooting to point of aim, we need to make some stock or sighting adjustments so that it does.

Next is a little choke and shotshell experimentation, using hard shot at a minimum, nickel plated shot being better yet (Fiocchi), and plated and buffered loads (Federal) sometimes being noticeably better. Testing a few Carlson's choke tubes (they are as good as the best, and better than the rest) starting at least a .040 in. constriction and going incrementally tighter until patterns cease to improve is a reasonable approach.

Our patterns automatically tend to look better at 40 yards using #6 shot vs. #5 shot, assuming the same payload just because we have quite a few more pellets to work with. No. 6 shot has about 222 pellets to the ounce while No. 5 shot has about 171 pellets to the ounce.

Out to 40 yards, #6 shot is "perfectly adequate." Beyond that, #5 shot is "perfectly adequate" until our pattern density decays to the point where we are no longer convinced of a 100% chance of lethality. That's about all there is to it. "Happy Thanksgiving!"

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#1208371 - 03/01/09 04:14 PM Re: #5's vs #6s [Re: cruff10]
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I shoot 3 1/2" Winchester Supreme #5's out of my Mossberg 835. At 50 yards they put 15 - 20 pellets in the head and neck which is plenty for me. I never tried 6's because I liked what the 5's did at that range. Killed one 2 years ago at 49.5 yards (my brother was in the blind with me and ranged him).
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#1209060 - 03/01/09 08:03 PM Re: #5's vs #6s [Re: Gravey]
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I use the Remington Nitro 3 1/2" #5's in my 835 with a Primo's Tightwad (.670) At 50 yards I am getting 30-40 pellets in the head and neck area. I havent tried anything else because I wa happy with this. Shot a tom last year at 55 yards, Shot was a little low it blew his beard off and killed him deader than dead. I personally would rather have larger pellets hitting the target with more energy hitting the turkey over more smaller pellets with less energy.

JUST MY .02
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