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#1203519 - 02/27/09 06:28 AM clinch river slot limit
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the way this is worded, it also includes the brook trout. i realize they will get bigger in a tailwater environment than in the mountain streams but a 20 inch brookie will be VERY rare.
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#1203541 - 02/27/09 06:46 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: stik]
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the fish in the river now are the biggest they have been in the past 6-8 years on average. I for one fully support the slot limit. Kudos to TWRA for realizing this resource was in trouble and ruled in favor of slot limits. I have fished this river over 20 years and while it is not like it was in the late 80's- early 90's it is on the road back.

BTW. 20" brookies are not rare in other areas of the country. I have caught them in Maine on several occations. My best brookie on the Clinch so far has been 14".

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#1203544 - 02/27/09 06:49 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: ]
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but i was planning on mounting the 1st 16 inch brookie i caught. they should be exempted from the slot. i am not opposed to the slot on rainbows and browns. it's the 10-12 inch fish i keep to eat and they are still legal. i would be opposed to a C&R section if it interferes with keeping fish on a float trip. if the zone was from norris dam to miller's island, i could accept that.
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#1203553 - 02/27/09 06:52 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: stik]
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I agree entirely with you on a C&R section below the dam. There are no private landowners from the dam to the weir to complain about lost land rights.
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#1203618 - 02/27/09 07:35 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: 7mm08]
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I have caught NUMEROUS Brook trout in Washington state that were 20 inches +. Just give them a chance. 3 years from now we may be catching them in the Clinch.
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#1203628 - 02/27/09 07:41 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: 7mm08]
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"It's a trout stamp, not a food stamp"
to me the first taking of any animal or fish is for eating.trophy hunting is fine if you want it but dont force your ego trips on others,wanting a c&r cares nothing about what the outdoors started as & one i wont sponser.now limits are a fine way to deal with game hogs but any game hog dosent care about rules anyway.now with that said i like to shoot big deer & catch big fish,but i dont feel deprived if i end up with nothing or a small deer/fish.i try to look at it from every bodys point of view & i will praise a small deer or fish as fast as i will a big 1,i hardley ever keep fish any way but hate to be told i cant because some body else wants to catch it also,after reading 1000's of hunting articules i went for 4 years with out shooting a deer,i was after the big 1,i finaly came to my sense's dropped the mag subscriptions & went back to taking a deer or 2 a year.i feel no stress if i dont get any thing & can decide to kill what ever is legal,same thing with fishing.i hope the clinch lives up to every bodys dream of a fishery,but lets remember not every body shares the same dream & has the same rites & rules as every one else ;\) ,mike243
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#1203763 - 02/27/09 08:55 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: ]
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to me a reproduction would be no different than taking a picture of a deer and then having a mount made. it just ain't the same.

i would oppose C&R from peach orchard to hwy 61 as that is my favorite float and is too long a section. from the dam to miller's island would be a good stretch as the weir dam restricts navigation.
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#1203922 - 02/27/09 09:53 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
to me a reproduction would be no different than taking a picture of a deer and then having a mount made. it just ain't the same.

i would oppose C&R from peach orchard to hwy 61 as that is my favorite float and is too long a section. from the dam to miller's island would be a good stretch as the weir dam restricts navigation.

agree 100% ,mike243
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#1203994 - 02/27/09 10:17 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: mike243]
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mike243, I need to get back down your way and float that river again. I did not catch anything but small trout last year, but saw some very large trout following my lure back to the boat.
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#1204025 - 02/27/09 10:27 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: GRAMPS]
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come on down & i'll ride with ya \:\) ,i will pu a new to me pontoon within 2 weeks or less,told the man yesterday i would take it,01 suntracker 18' with a 50merc tilt&trim,boat & trl like new,not set up zackley the way i want but the $ was rite,mike243
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#1204272 - 02/27/09 12:55 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: ]
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why would anybody want something to look diffrent than what they caught/killed?,are you 1 of those look what i turned loose today so were going out to dinner types are you \:\) ,sorry could'nt help my self,im just glad we all have somewhere to wet our feet,the way things are changing we will miss these times some day,mike243
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#1204307 - 02/27/09 01:15 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
 Originally Posted By: stik
to me a reproduction would be no different than taking a picture of a deer and then having a mount made. it just ain't the same.

That doesn't make sense to me, they always look better, they last longer, and the difference b/w that and a deer picture is you actually caught the fish, you didn't just take a picture. Are you one of those that isn't successful unless something comes home so you can show the family \:\)


and i could have shot the deer with a rifle instead of a camera. i still see no difference. i release ALOT more fish than i keep.
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#1204354 - 02/27/09 01:48 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: ]
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i have a rainbow on the wall that was mounted in the early 90's. it looks just like it did when i pulled it out of the river. a good taxidermist can make a skin mount that will look as good as any repro and will last a lifetime.
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#1204456 - 02/27/09 03:05 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: stik]
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I have seen taxidermists who do very good skin mounts and very bad. Same with reproductions. Either way, make sure you see examples of the taxidermist's work before you make your choice. Taxidermy is an art, and some have a lot more talent than others.

I have a couple skin mounts, but I wouldn't have any misgivings about getting a repro mount.

There is not that much of your "original fish" left with a skin mount anyway. The body shape on a skin mount isn't necessarily the same - it's skin stretched over a molded form. The color isn't necessarily the same - depends on how talented a painter the taxidermist is. Etc., etc.

bd


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#1204459 - 02/27/09 03:08 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: B.D.]
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As far as c&r sections on the Clinch or any other river, I think it is better to just have reasonable regulations for the whole river.

Trout migrate from place to place throughout the year, so a fish that grows big in a "trophy zone" is just as likely to swim upstream or downstream and get harvested somewhere else. Plus, it is inconvenient for people who want to float a long stretch of river and keep a few fish along the way.

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#1204513 - 02/27/09 03:52 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: B.D.]
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On mounts - I did a story on this exact thing a couple years ago. I can't remember exactly how many, but I interviewd about a dozen well-known southeastern taxidermists. Because it is so much easier, looks better, and lasts longer these days, the taxidermists don't want to deal with skin mounts anymore (their words). Obviously, the saltwater taxis had mostly done away with the skin mounts a long time ago.

Of all those taxidermists, only one largemouth specialist from Georgia still did skin mounts. He said he hated it, but he couldn't convince those few clients to change their minds. As BD said, not much of a skin mount is actually the fish.

Here's the sad part. Those taxidermists took the fish, photod it, measured it, and chunked it in the ditch for the coons. What a waste of a fine trophy.

My point is this. If you have to kill your trophy, at least eat it because your taxidermist is probably going to chunk it anyway.
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#1204560 - 02/27/09 04:36 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: gil1]
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every body wants it the easy way & try to convince others that thier way is the best way \:\) ,i dont have any fish mounted & with the taxi attitude like that i never will,still going to eat a few a year just cause i can \:\) ,the only fish i would like to have had mounted was a 24" large mouth,probaly never hang another like that but i keep trying,mike243
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#1204917 - 02/27/09 08:37 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
Of all those taxidermists, only one largemouth specialist from Georgia still did skin mounts. He said he hated it, but he couldn't convince those few clients to change their minds.


I'm surprised. I know a lot of taxidermists who still do skin mounts. Most taxis I know do both.

Fifteen years ago, a lot of the fiberglass repros looked like hell. The realism is getting better all the time though.

I have a couple skin mounts, but if I catch another big fish I want on the wall, I'll probably get a photo and do a repro mount.

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#1204967 - 02/27/09 08:55 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: B.D.]
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If you all remember a few years ago the clinch did have a trophy area but did away with it because they wanted to be able to guide the river. If you fish the clinch alot like I do most of the fish youare going to catch is a stocker but they are some good fish what I feel like they are tring to do is is the fish makes it threw a year from stock they give them a few years before they can be caught agian. I love to fish the river I think the slot is good and bad but what is worse is seeing some guys fishing from the bank and taking about fifty or so fish home with them no matter the size that is what gets me hot I called the warden on two last year over this. Those limits are there for a reason for my son to catch some fish when he gets big enough to wade with me!
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#1205093 - 02/27/09 09:39 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: ]
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I am not saying it was anyones fault I did not get to fish it but some of my friends said the trophy area was great a they cought some 28-40 in man what I would do to hook into something like that!
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#1205813 - 02/28/09 09:24 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
On mounts - I did a story on this exact thing a couple years ago. I can't remember exactly how many, but I interviewd about a dozen well-known southeastern taxidermists. Because it is so much easier, looks better, and lasts longer these days, the taxidermists don't want to deal with skin mounts anymore (their words). Obviously, the saltwater taxis had mostly done away with the skin mounts a long time ago.

Of all those taxidermists, only one largemouth specialist from Georgia still did skin mounts. He said he hated it, but he couldn't convince those few clients to change their minds. As BD said, not much of a skin mount is actually the fish.

Here's the sad part. Those taxidermists took the fish, photod it, measured it, and chunked it in the ditch for the coons. What a waste of a fine trophy.

My point is this. If you have to kill your trophy, at least eat it because your taxidermist is probably going to chunk it anyway.




It couldnt be because the fiberglass mounts cost 2-3 times more than a skin mount so the taxidermist makes more money could it?
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#1205834 - 02/28/09 09:38 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: Kimberman]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimberman
 Originally Posted By: gil1
On mounts - I did a story on this exact thing a couple years ago. I can't remember exactly how many, but I interviewd about a dozen well-known southeastern taxidermists. Because it is so much easier, looks better, and lasts longer these days, the taxidermists don't want to deal with skin mounts anymore (their words). Obviously, the saltwater taxis had mostly done away with the skin mounts a long time ago.

Of all those taxidermists, only one largemouth specialist from Georgia still did skin mounts. He said he hated it, but he couldn't convince those few clients to change their minds. As BD said, not much of a skin mount is actually the fish.

Here's the sad part. Those taxidermists took the fish, photod it, measured it, and chunked it in the ditch for the coons. What a waste of a fine trophy.

My point is this. If you have to kill your trophy, at least eat it because your taxidermist is probably going to chunk it anyway.




It couldnt be because the fiberglass mounts cost 2-3 times more than a skin mount so the taxidermist makes more money could it?

I thought the same thing, but it's not true. At least not totally. Just for fun, I did a price comparison for the article. It cost $6 more for a replica between all those taxidermists than the same skin mount they used to do. The price is going down and has been for years. It wouldn't surprise me if it cost less than a skin mount now. My own taxidermist charges less because of the time and labor involved in skin mounts.

Unless your opinion is that it's just not the same as the real fish, I can't think of a benefit. They just look so much better than they used to, cost is not a factor, and they last so much longer. JMO. To each his won, though.
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#1205859 - 02/28/09 09:57 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: gil1]
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well, with the slot limit, if i want that 16 inch brookie mount, i will go the LEGAL route. hopefully, in the tailwater environment, they will get to 20 inches and bigger. i expect the state record to be broken in the next 3-5 yrs, either from the clinch or the caney fork. but i still think 20 inch fish will be very rare.
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#1205947 - 02/28/09 10:30 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: ]
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OMG!!! the sky is falling. you agree with me?? \:D

maybe our paths will cross on the river one day.

good fishin!
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#1206068 - 02/28/09 11:08 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
A reproduction mount looks exactly like the fish you caught. More so then some sorry arse skin mount which in 10 years looks horrible. Not all are sorry arse, so don't get bent out of shape. Even if you kill the fish, a repro is still a better option IMO.

BTW someone said something about heritage: One of the great sportsmen of this country said "A gamefish is to valuable to only be caught once."


Too many fish to worry about that. I have no problem with anyone wanting to eat them, heck I do and could care less who it pisses off.

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#1206139 - 02/28/09 11:39 AM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: Chris Tripp]
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Brown trout reproduction done locally in Knoxville by a friend. This is his second brown. He did an incredible brookie, as well as unbelievable bass.

PS. Fish was caught 1992 on the North Fork White with a 4# tippet (5x), and a small fly. Released unharmed.

Chris. I don't think anybody cares how many you eat. (I know I kill the crap out of saltwater fish), but I do and I know you probably do as well stay within the slots and limits so that all can enjoy the resource. With local, state, and national budgets the way they are, fisheries and wildlife, and therefore raising trout, will be on the bottom of the list.


Edited by 7mm08 (02/28/09 11:54 AM)
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#1206508 - 02/28/09 03:13 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: 7mm08]
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Man, what a pig! Beautiful trout and mount!
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#1208341 - 03/01/09 03:58 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: mike243]
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if you want to mount a fish you don't really need the fish... get a pic and measurements and have a replica made... it'll last longer and they look as real or even better than the real deal...
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#1208438 - 03/01/09 04:52 PM Re: clinch river slot limit [Re: CamohunterAGAIN]
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 Originally Posted By: CamohunterAGAIN
if you want to mount a fish you don't really need the fish... get a pic and measurements and have a replica made... it'll last longer and they look as real or even better than the real deal...


if you will read the rest of this thread, you will see my thoughts on this.
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