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#1285781 - 04/11/09 02:21 PM Re: Best rifle caliber for deer? [Re: mike243]
jakeway
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
jakeway i pulled up rems balistics on the 2,i dont see no whuppin by the 270,...


Well, this has been one of the longest arguments, and that's what makes it fun. (I hope this is taken in a spirit of fun, as it was meant.)

I never used the term "whuppin". The difference in most deer hunting calibers isn't really all that great. The way I define "better" is the total package, not just one measurement like KE. Here's how I see it:

1) pick the bullet you'd like to use to do the actual killing. Look at the construction, weight, ballistic coefficient. Then pic klthe appropriate weight for the two cartridges being considered. In this example, lets hypothetically pick the 130 grain .277 and the 165 gr .308.

2) look up the ballistics tables for the expected velocities of the powder of your choice and the length of barrel in your rifle.

3) Check the trajectories, Point blank range for that bullet/velocity combo, KE, and recoil measurements for the two cartridges. WIth the above mentioned loads, both sighted at 200 yards, the 270 drops 7.1" to the 30/06 8.0". That might not seem like much, but if you sight with Point Blank Range criteria, the PBR of the 270 is 20 to 30 yards farther. That helps a lot when you don't have time to laser sight the target.

4) Since "dead is dead", the KE is the least importance to me of the above measurements, as long as they are both well within the acceptable range for deer. I consider 1100 Ft lbs as the minimum. The 270 has 1565 ft lbs at 300 yards, the 30/06 has 1777; a good hit with either cartridge will be a killer, probably a pass through, so it's a wash in my book.

Given these criteria, I think that the .270 is "better" than the 30-06 because it brings the bullet to the target with adequate energy and with a longer Point Blank Range (the distandce at which I can hold dead on and still hit +/- 3" of point of aim) with significantly less recoil.

For where I hunt, all things considered, my 260 REM is "better" than my .270. That's why I carry the 260 and not the 270 most of the time. So for those conditions, the 260 REM is "better" than the 30/06 too. It kills the deer dead in their tracks with half the recoil in a rifle weighing only 7 pounds with scope.

In other conditions, such as where bear are present and KE becomes much more important, than the 30/06 might be "better".

If your definition of "better" is different than mine, have at it. That's what makes this country free.
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#1285855 - 04/11/09 03:26 PM Re: Best rifle caliber for deer? [Re: Gravey]
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i shoot 7mm08 great round no rcoil
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#1285905 - 04/11/09 04:01 PM Re: Best rifle caliber for deer? [Re: browning708]
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30-06 is the most useful of all / everything in North America / never has the 270 out performed the 30-06 at wimbleton
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#1324790 - 05/12/09 12:55 PM Re: Best rifle caliber for deer? [Re: Gravey]
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I am seriously looking at the 308 Marlin express or the 338 Marlin express. They are both lever guns but the performance is very interesting. The 338 is pretty close to a 30-06 and the 308 express close to the regular .308. I never would have thought you could get this range from a lever action. I am a bit sceptical until more of the rifles are sold because of ammo availability. Out of all the calibers mentioned above there isn't a bad one.
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#1347166 - 05/29/09 02:12 PM Re: Best rifle caliber for deer? [Re: Gravey]
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30-06 cant go wrong
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#1675873 - 12/16/09 04:11 PM Re: Best rifle caliber for deer? [Re: Gravey]
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30-06
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#1676724 - 12/16/09 11:46 PM Re: Best rifle caliber for deer? [Re: TennBuck]
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I haven't ever loaded a deer that was TO_DEAD to ride in my truck....So I like Foot Pounds of energy, even at long distances, So I shoot the .300 mag on most trips, no other caliber that is feasable for deer delivers the punch down range the .300 (any one you like) does....

I do use the ole 30-06 in the heavy brush though

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#1677044 - 12/17/09 08:40 AM Re: Best rifle caliber for deer? [Re: ShaneHallum]
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 Originally Posted By: ShaneHallum
25-06 is a bad round. I believe it's one of the fastest rounds out right now.

.270 is a great gun for up to 300 yards. plenty of punch and relatively low cost to shoot.
A 270 Cal. is a faster shooting gun,and a flatter shooting gun than the 25-06.so the 25-06 is not the fastes gun out there

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#1677062 - 12/17/09 08:45 AM Re: Best rifle caliber for deer? [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
Most guys I know couldn't hit a paper plate at 300 yards regardless of the caliber. Of course they are "killers" within 100 yards.

All these calibers are good and time tested, all are worthless without practice.
I agree 100 percent with you on this.Practice is the best thing,and you guys got to remember shot placememt.

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#1677508 - 12/17/09 12:15 PM Re: Best rifle caliber for deer? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: FOOTER
 Originally Posted By: hpdi200
 Originally Posted By: ShaneHallum
25-06 is a bad round. I believe it's one of the fastest rounds out right now.

.270 is a great gun for up to 300 yards. plenty of punch and relatively low cost to shoot.
A 270 Cal. is a faster shooting gun,and a flatter shooting gun than the 25-06.so the 25-06 is not the fastes gun out there
I have to disagree with you, 200. I'll put my .25-06 up against your .270 any day as far as trajectory is concerned.
 Originally Posted By: FOOTER
 Originally Posted By: hpdi200
 Originally Posted By: ShaneHallum
25-06 is a bad round. I believe it's one of the fastest rounds out right now.

.270 is a great gun for up to 300 yards. plenty of punch and relatively low cost to shoot.
A 270 Cal. is a faster shooting gun,and a flatter shooting gun than the 25-06.so the 25-06 is not the fastes gun out there
I have to disagree with you, 200. I'll put my .25-06 up against your .270 any day as far as trajectory is concerned.
ok look at this . A 120 grain 25-06 bullet and a 130 grain 270 bullet.The closest i could find to compare.I will list the 270 first in numbers then the 25-06. Here is the long range trajectory. 270 at 100 yrds 1.5 25-06 1.6. at 150 yards they are the same at 1.4 at 200yards they both are at zero. at 250 yrds they both are at- 2.8 .at 300 yrds the 270 at - 7.0 the 25-06 at -7.2 at 400 yrds the 270 at -20.9 the 25-06 at -21.4 at 500 yrds the 270 at -43.3 the 25-06 at -44.1. Short range the 270 out performs it a little also. ok Energy (ft- lbs) 270 at muzzle 2702 ,the 25-06 2382 .at 100 yards 270 2225 ,25-06 1985 .At 200 yards 270 ,1818 ,25-06 1644. at 300 yards 270 1472 , 25-06 1351. At 400 yards 270 at1180. 25-06 at 1100. ok and at 500 yards 270 at 936. the 25-06 at 887. If you don't beleive me go to a ballistics chart and compare the same. So how can you say the 25- 06 out performs the 270. when it does'nt.Not knocking anyone gun.They both are good,but what you said is'nt true.

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