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#1177941 - 02/13/09 08:50 AM Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro
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From the Cumberland Chapter of TU...

This month we are doing our TU monthly meeting in Murfreesboro, TN on Monday Feb 16! After many comments and requests, TU is branching out to meet our Middle Tennessee members in their backyard. We look forward to seeing those TU members who travel to Nashville as well as other TU members who haven't had the opportunity make our monthly meetings in Nashville due to time and distance. As always, the public is invited.

In addition to Steve Nix, our featured speaker for the evening, I have asked Jason Henegar, Fishery Biologist from TWRA to update those in attendance on the Status of the Elk River and TWRA plans for the Elk River in 2009. Jason has gotten off to a fast start as TWRA's Rivers and Streams Coordinator since joining TWRA in 2008. If you have not had the opportunity to meet Jason, then please come and give him a warm welcome. I promise you his knowledge and dedication to the fishery will be readily apparent. Please come and learn more about the Elk River, one of our best kept tailwater secrets in Middle Tennessee!

Streamer Fishing Tactics

Whether you are fishing a Wooly Bugger or Clouser Minnow, conventional wisdom has always said, "...the easiest way to catch a big fish on a fly is on a streamer, a wet fly that imitates a small baitfish that larger fish feed on." If you can cast 20 feet, you can catch fish in streams and rivers on a streamer. You can even strip line off the reel and into the water and let the flies drift in the current and catch fish. The line swims the fly, making it look like a swimming baitfish. However, are tenets really true? Well, to find out the answer to this question and how best to tie an effective streamer yourself, you'll need to attend the November meeting of Trout Unlimited and learn from one of the best streamer fisherman in these waters, i.e., Steve Nix, local guide.

Come Learn about Streamer Fishing Tactics

If you would like to hear more fishing streamers better, then you'll want to welcome Steve Nix of Fly South and Jason Henegar of TWRA at the next TU meeting, Monday Feb 16, 2009 at Logan's Roadhouse, 740 NW Broad Street in Murfreesboro, TN 615-895-4419 . Need a map or directions, <<---Click here, I'm a Link & enter your location-->>.

Social hour at 6 pm/dinner with presentation at 7 pm.
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#1188168 - 02/18/09 02:28 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: gil1]
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Tubs just emailed me. He said he would be there, wouldn't miss it for the world. \:\)
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#1188324 - 02/18/09 03:34 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: bowriter]
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Will there be a "corn dunkers" session? Or how to fish a bead head on a spinning rod? I caught as many hatchery trout as I wanted this past weekend fishing a bead head on a spinning rod. It was fun. Who needs a fly rod to fish a fly, at least that is what several were asking as they watched me fish it on my spinning rod. I also discovered, at least for the fish I was catching, they like a small piece of flashabou added to the bead head fly.
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#1188345 - 02/18/09 03:41 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: Headhunter]
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TU probably could do more to emphasize that they are a coldwater conservation group and not a fly fishing club. TU is about the trout, not what type of rod is used to catch them. \:\)

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#1188655 - 02/18/09 06:33 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Tubs just emailed me. He said he would be there, wouldn't miss it for the world. \:\)


LOL

Yeah, I was heartbroken I had to miss it. I heard Tubby Tubs was the speaker. it was a musky meeting.
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#1188668 - 02/18/09 06:39 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: B.D.]
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
Will there be a "corn dunkers" session? Or how to fish a bead head on a spinning rod? I caught as many hatchery trout as I wanted this past weekend fishing a bead head on a spinning rod. It was fun. Who needs a fly rod to fish a fly, at least that is what several were asking as they watched me fish it on my spinning rod. I also discovered, at least for the fish I was catching, they like a small piece of flashabou added to the bead head fly.


 Originally Posted By: Brian Dunigan
TU probably could do more to emphasize that they are a coldwater conservation group and not a fly fishing club. TU is about the trout, not what type of rod is used to catch them. :)bd


I would say that no, TU isn't about the trout at all. It's about the water. It just so happens that trout live in the water that TU conserves. Of course, TU uses the trout to attract the fishermen and women that are going to care to conserve, restore, and protect the precious salmonid waters. They'd be hating it if they couldn't sell the trout.

There are plenty of Trout Unlimited members that are spinfishing-only or corn-only. What really surprised me was that there are thousands that have ZERO interest in fishing at all. The trout is just a byproduct of the clean water.

I'll get off the soap dish now. ;\)
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#1189639 - 02/19/09 07:20 AM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: gil1]
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Definitely no meanness in my post Gil. I just thought you might be lonely without Tubs around as much. I did catch a ton with some beadheads I tied fishing with a spinning rod. The last 2 times I went though, I got my ancient Master boron fly rod and a cheap automatic fly reel (I have a nicer reel that I paid about $150 for but I learned with the cheap automatic and it is what I fish with) out that I purchased at Bill Clay's many years ago and used it. The flies I added flashabou to seemed to work the best.
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#1189861 - 02/19/09 09:05 AM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: Headhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
Definitely no meanness in my post Gil. I just thought you might be lonely without Tubs around as much. I did catch a ton with some beadheads I tied fishing with a spinning rod. The last 2 times I went though, I got my ancient Master boron fly rod and a cheap automatic fly reel (I have a nicer reel that I paid about $150 for but I learned with the cheap automatic and it is what I fish with) out that I purchased at Bill Clay's many years ago and used it. The flies I added flashabou to seemed to work the best.


No, I didn't see any meanness at all. I was just responding as if you were saking a serious question, and a good one too.

Man, I miss Bill Clay's!
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#1190571 - 02/19/09 02:19 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: gil1]
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TU is a good organization. IF I were a joiner, I might join. I do believe it would be in their intrest to try and shed the fly-flinger image because that is the first thing the uninitated think when they hear TU.

Maybe they could go with a cover picture of Tubbs throwing dy-no-mite at the spawing muskies. \:\)
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#1190613 - 02/19/09 02:36 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
TU is a good organization. IF I were a joiner, I might join. I do believe it would be in their intrest to try and shed the fly-flinger image because that is the first thing the uninitated think when they hear TU.

I totally agree. It's a catch 22, though. If you shed the "save the spotted owl" marketing ploy, the tree huggers lose interest in the trees.

Sort of the same deal with TU. They want to attract bait chunkers and jerkbaiters and non-fishers, but if they shed the heart tugging fly flinger and trout on the magazine cover, they are afraid the Orvis type loses interest. They're probably right. Just as many plug tossers buy into clean water as fly flingers, so it's a shame.
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#1192799 - 02/20/09 03:44 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
[quote=Headhunter]I would say that no, TU isn't about the trout at all. It's about the water.


Really?

I take it the name Water Unlimited was already taken or something? \:\)



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#1192834 - 02/20/09 04:17 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: B.D.]
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Lawyer boy, you're cracking me UP! Okay, I embellished, I exaggerated, I LIED!!!! \:D

I can't argue with the paperwork, but I will say this. My impression of TU, after being involved for many years, is that it's definitely not about fishing, or at least it's not meant to be. It's certainly more about the fish. But it's even more about the water.

Of course, the water leads to the fish, which leads to the fishing, which is the driving force behind the money.

Mission statement - "To conserve, protect, and restore North America's trout and salmon fisheries and their watersheds"

I think that TU would say that "their watersheds" should be first, but that would be bad marketing.
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#1192904 - 02/20/09 05:24 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: gil1]
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Very interesting BD. I liked the part about sound fishing regulations to preserve and increase the trout population. Since that is part of their Articles of Incorporaation, it looks like TU should be involved in the discussion.
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#1192927 - 02/20/09 05:59 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
Very interesting BD. I liked the part about sound fishing regulations to preserve and increase the trout population. Since that is part of their Articles of Incorporaation, it looks like TU should be involved in the discussion.


Unless there are extreme circumstances and/or there's a possibility that a fishery is being wiped out, TU will not enter fishing regulations discussion. They want to be a conservation organization, not some sort of fishing club. If they get into regulations, they open up a can of trouble.

Believe me, I wish they would speak up about regulations, but they have no opinon whatsoever. People think TU is for catch and release, but they are not. Of course they are, but they can't say it unless there's a species tha's getting wiped out.

I was as surprised as anyone by bd's document. I guess they've gotten away from the prime directive over the years.
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#1192970 - 02/20/09 06:39 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: gil1]
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I think the mission has changed from what it was at the founding. Here's a current mission statement I got from a post at another forum:

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TU Mission and Related Statements – TU.org, 2/2009

OUR VISION
By the next generation, Trout Unlimited will ensure that robust populations of native and wild coldwater fish once again thrive within their North American range, so that our children can enjoy healthy fisheries in their home waters
OUR MISSION
To conserve, protect, and restore North America’s coldwater fisheries and their watersheds.
OUR VALUES
• HEALTHY WATERSHEDS & CLEAN WATER - We are committed to ensuring quantities of cold, clean water sufficient to sustain healthy fish populations and to watershed restoration and wise fisheries management.
• WILD & NATIVE TROUT & SALMON Healthy populations of native and wild fish are the best indicators of watershed health, and we are committed to the protection and restoration of these fish where ecologically sustainable.
• STEWARDSHIP & ADVOCACY As stewards for future generations, we employ sound science and work cooperatively with a broad spectrum of interests in defending and advocating for our natural resource legacy.
• COMMITMENT TO MEMBERS We owe our uniqueness to a passionately committed, diverse, volunteer network of members who pursue our mission in their local councils and chapters. We will sustain this member network through representative governance and a continuous commitment to grassroots support, learning, and development.
• QUALITY PEOPLE In the pursuit of our cause, our most important resource is our people – both staff and volunteers – who sustain and support each other’s work.
OUR GOALS
• Strengthen TU’s leadership in coldwater conservation nationally, regionally & locally.
• Better integrate and enhance the development of the TU team.
• Increase public awareness of TU and its mission.
• Increase and motivate an effective membership.
• Diversify and grow sources of revenue.
• Achieve financial stability and security.
OUR OBJECTIVES
• To protect trout and salmon habitat by advocating integrated watershed management, good forestry and agricultural practices, and balanced land development.
• To work with federal and state fishery managers to maximize the health and population of wild trout, salmon, and steelhead on public lands.
• To support laws, regulations, and policies that protect wild salmonid fish populations and their habitat.
• To support and maximize the ability of citizens to influence laws, policies, and practices that affect their sport at the community, state, and federal levels.
• To ensure that robust populations of wild and native coldwater species once again thrive within their North American range, so that our children can enjoy healthy fisheries in their home waters.
• To ensure the protection of coldwater resources by undertaking water quality monitoring programs.
• To sponsor scientific meetings, seminars, and symposia on fishery related issues and ensure the protection of coldwater resources by undertaking water quality surveillance programs.
• To employ, as stewards for future generations, sound science practices and work cooperatively with a broad spectrum of interests in defending and advocating for our natural resource legacy.
We owe our uniqueness to a passionately committed, diverse, volunteer network of members who pursue our mission in their local chapters and councils. We will sustain this member network through representative governance and a continuous commitment to grassroots support, learning, and development


I'm no expert, and Gil knows more than I do on this. However, TU National's priority seems to be "wild and native." Maybe their stance would be different if we were dealing with the brookies in the east.

I'm not sure whether TU National's neutral stance would prevent the LOCAL chapter from weighing in, though. Just a thought.

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#1193100 - 02/20/09 07:56 PM Re: Trout Unlimited Meeting in Murfreesboro [Re: B.D.]
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Interesting stuff.

 Originally Posted By: Brian Dunigan
I'm not sure whether TU National's neutral stance would prevent the LOCAL chapter from weighing in, though. Just a thought.

bd


When I was Pres. of the local TU chapter, pretty much all 1100 members in the chapter were in favor of the new regs. on the Caney. I was told by the state chairman who was told by National TU that I couldn't come out in favor of the regs. when I stood up in front of the Commisssion.

The closest I came to supporting the regulations was, "We support TWRA. We are confident that TWRA has the science and expertise to recommend this measure." Of course, that was a crock. There was no science, and we only support TWRA when we support what they're recommending.

There were a lot of angry TU folks. Instead, we lined up TU members and members from other organizations to speak in support of the regulations. They just weren't allowed to say they spoke for TU.

In other words, yes, National TU, if they knew about it, would not allow the local chapter to say anything about regulations. There have been TU chapters that voluntarily lost their charter because they felt TU let them down on this very issue.

Yeah, TU is definitely more "wild and native," but they have gotten much better at recognizing the needs of tailwaters. This is most likely just because they don't want to lose money in Texas and Tennessee and everywhere in between. Unfortunately, they won't speak to wild trout regs. either unless there's a dern good reason - not just so fishermen can catch more or bigger fish. There have been exceptions, though.

I used to have brown hair, or I should say I used to have hair, before I got involved in all this mess. Except for comlaining on this forum, I am retired from TU politics. I still love the organization, though.
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