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#1176761 - 02/12/09 02:51 PM Federal Flight-Control shells
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Looking at setting up a back-up gun and was wondering if any of you guys had good luck patterning the Federal Mag-Shok shells with the Flight Control wads...

Anyone try the new Strut-Shok shells yet?
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#1176767 - 02/12/09 02:55 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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In my test of Spring 2008, the Federal Flight Control shells gave me the most uniform patterns of the following:

Federal Premium® Mag Shok Hi Velocity Flitecontrol™ Turkey Loads
Winchester Supremes
Winchester Elite Extended Range

They also gave me a denser pattern than the Winchester Supremes.
Win. Elite was marginally "denser" but not as uniform at the Federals.

In my test I was trying to compare as "apples-to-apples" as possible, all loads were 3.5-inch, 2 oz. shot, and comparing same shot sizes. For some reason, my gun/chokes didn't seem to like #6 size shot as well as #5's. My #5-shot patterns were almost as dense as the #6 patterns, i.e. I only had a fraction of the extra pellets on the paper when I switched to #6 loads.

I'm sure different guns with different chokes will get totally different results --- why it's important to pattern test your guns.

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#1176777 - 02/12/09 03:02 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: Wes Parrish]
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One load I'm particularly excited about pattern testing this year is the Federal "Heavyweight" Flight Control Shells.

These pellets are advertised as being over 30% heavier than lead vs. "hevi-shot" being 10% heavier than lead. My thinking is may be able to use smaller sized shot with the Federal "Heavyweights", get a denser pattern, and still have adequate penetration.

In fact, these "Heavyweights" are even offered in a special #7-size shot advertised as having the same energy per pellet as a #5 lead pellet.

This Spring I plan to do extensive pattern testing with the following:

Fiocchi Turkey Thunder Turkey Loads with Nickel-Plated Shot
Federal Premium® Mag Shok Hi Velocity Flitecontrol™ Turkey Loads
Federal Premium Mag Shok Heavyweight Lead Free Turkey Loads

I plan to limit my comparisons to #5 and #6 shot sizes,
unless Federal wants to send me some of those #7's for testing.

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#1176780 - 02/12/09 03:05 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: Wes Parrish]
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In my primary gun (Rem. 870 SM w/ 26" barrel, I had great luck with patterns @40 yards using Win. Sup. HiVol #5's with .665 Gobblin Thunder choke. I recently picked up a Carlson .660 tube, and I have a M.A.D. .655 to try. I tried the flight control #5's with my G.T. tube even though it's ported... the pattern was not impressive. Since the other tubes I have are not ported, I wanted to use the rest of the shells I have left and see what patterns I can get @ 40-45 yards. Then I saw the new Stru-Shok and was thinking about trying those too. My back-up is also a 870 SM w/ 28" barrel so sharing shells could work out.

Keep me informed on those HW shells... I might want to give them a try also..
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#1176793 - 02/12/09 03:16 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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i bet those federal straight 7,s pattern good out of a tight constriction ported choke

you all need to check out the hevi 13 2&1/4 oz loads too
might not be the fastest shell on the market but when i was playing around with mine
it beat all the other combos i played around with when used with a strut stopper extreme choke, before i got the rhino/ nitro combo
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#1176807 - 02/12/09 03:27 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: renegade50]
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Like I said, I had good luck with the Win. Sup. HiVol. #5's, but I recently read that a high velocity shell could lead to less than impressive patterns due to the shot scattering out more because it's moving faster. I don't know, but that's what I read. Maybe speed should not be a deciding factor on shells....
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#1176818 - 02/12/09 03:35 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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just gotta get out their and spend some cash to find out what works best and do those chokeology and shellology experiments
i know i learned alot when i did mine 2 years back between all the research for information and then the feild testing i really gained alot of knowledge on what worked best in my mossy 835.

i mean ya i always had it the back of my head i should have just gotten the rhino and nitro combo to start with
but after all of it i did learn what shot really good out of my gun


2nd best was the strut stopper extreme by truglo and the hevi 13 # 6, 2 1/4 oz loads




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Edited by renegade50 (02/12/09 03:36 PM)
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#1176887 - 02/12/09 04:41 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: renegade50]
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those Heavyweight flight control shells sound interesitng. i might have to give them a try. i bet those #7 shot would pattern good outta any shotgun.
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#1177062 - 02/12/09 06:43 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: buckdead]
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a friend of mine used them in his duck hunting gun with a full choke and they performed well for him. i imagine with the flight control cup, a tighter choke may be counter productive. looks like to me, that cup was designed to stay with the shot longer, so a tighter choke may strip too quickly. but that is just a guess.



Edited by WTM (02/12/09 06:43 PM)

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#1177235 - 02/12/09 08:06 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: renegade50]
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 Originally Posted By: renegade50
i bet those federal straight 7,s pattern good out of a tight constriction ported choke

you all need to check out the hevi 13 2&1/4 oz loads too
might not be the fastest shell on the market but when i was playing around with mine
it beat all the other combos i played around with when used with a strut stopper extreme choke, before i got the rhino/ nitro combo
What makes you think they would pattern good out of a tight constriction ported choke??

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#1177688 - 02/13/09 06:44 AM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: FOOTER]
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Technology has come a long way with turkey loads. aaahhh, the days of opening the end of a shell & melting candle wax in there to hold the shot together a little better, good times, good times.
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#1177847 - 02/13/09 08:06 AM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Couldn't please me through the ole Mossy???

I'd use em if thats all I had or had an emergency situation!!!!
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#1178476 - 02/13/09 01:15 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: FOOTER]
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 Originally Posted By: FOOTER
 Originally Posted By: renegade50
i bet those federal straight 7,s pattern good out of a tight constriction ported choke

you all need to check out the hevi 13 2&1/4 oz loads too
might not be the fastest shell on the market but when i was playing around with mine
it beat all the other combos i played around with when used with a strut stopper extreme choke, before i got the rhino/ nitro combo
What makes you think they would pattern good out of a tight constriction ported choke??

not talking about the flight control load
talking about their heavy 7 load smaller shot sizes work better with a tigher choke and larger shot sizes work better with less constriction
the smaller shot size has more room to give when itis going thru a tight choke versus a larger size based on its circumfrance
in others words it is easier to pore bb,s thru a funnel than buckshot and more bb,s stay in the front hitting part of a pattern not getting stung out at any one giving time than buckshot thru the same tight choke



there is alot of info on choke and shot size compatatbilty on the web that i ran across over the last few years that basically says tight for small shot and more open for big shot.
is the type of analogy that i can use easiest igeuss


Edited by renegade50 (02/13/09 01:18 PM)
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#1178701 - 02/13/09 03:21 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: renegade50]
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I agree with that. I thought you were saying that the flight control wad would do better in a tight ported choke.
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#1178707 - 02/13/09 03:26 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: FOOTER]
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i tried the flight control in #5 3inch out of my old savage sxs back when they 1st came out 3 or 4 years ago they where allright but that gun liked win supremes hv in 3 inch #5
but then again that was a 35 yard gun.


Edited by renegade50 (02/13/09 03:27 PM)
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#1178805 - 02/13/09 04:57 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: FOOTER]
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It's all I shoot in 6 shot 3.5 in mag will hold pattern out to 55 yrds good. Using a Benelli Nova with a gobble stopper choke.
I've tried them all and these are by far the best.
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#1182527 - 02/15/09 10:03 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: turkeyhunter64]
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Hey Wes, what gun you doing the testing with? Would the Federal Flight-Control shells work better in a regular barrel compared to an overbored barrel? I have no clue, but it would seem the overbored would let it spread some or wobble. ?yes/no?

Edited by medwc (02/15/09 10:07 PM)
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#1186661 - 02/17/09 07:26 PM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: medwc]
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Hey Wes, what gun you doing the testing with? Would the Federal Flight-Control shells work better in a regular barrel compared to an overbored barrel? I have no clue, but it would seem the overbored would let it spread some or wobble. ?yes/no?

I'm using a Mossberg 935, purchased Spring 2008.
Was told they patterned better than a Benelli and kicked less than an 835. ;\)
Actually, main reason I picked this as a dedicated "turkey" gun was "quiet" carry (compared to the 835) and I couldn't find a gunsmith willing to mount a scope on my old turkey gun, i.e. I needed to go to optical sights due to my "old" eyes.

The Mossberg 835 and 935 use the same choke tubes, one is a pump, the other is a gas autoloader.

The Federal flight-control shells are not supposed to work well in ported chokes, i.e. most after-market "turkey" tubes. However, I had very uniform patterns with the Jellyhead ported turkey choke using these Federal shells. But the Mossberg "factory" turkey tube that came with the gun --- to my surprise ---- as good or better than the Jellyhead, no matter what I shot thru it.

I decided to hunt with the factory choke mainly because it was shorter and had no "shine". The Jellyhead tube was "shiny".

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#1187764 - 02/18/09 10:41 AM Re: Federal Flight-Control shells [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Yeah, I am a mossberg shooter too. I have 3 mossturds but none are "turkey" guns. I only hunt Ft Cambpell and LBL so I only need a bow, muzzleloader and turkey gun. I have the bow and muzzleloader setups I am happy with but not a "turkey" gun.

So with that said, I was looking at the mossturd 535 turkey(I have 2 835s just don't have short turkey barrels). The only diff from the 835 is the 535 is lighter, shorter mag tube, and NOT overbored. So this topic on the Federal Flight-Control shells had me wondering if they would work better/worse, the same in a regular 12 gage verses an overbored. I guess there is one way to find out. \:\) Buy the 535!!!

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