#1481195 - 09/01/09 03:43 PM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Something outside the statistical range of normal annual fluctuations in harvest numbers. In essence, up or down a couple thousand is no big deal. More than that might be a big deal. What I'm watching far more closely than just buck harvest numbers is the doe kills in comparison to buck kills.
2007 ML harvest statewide... 13,941 bucks 13,738 does 2008 ML harvest statewide... 21,570 bucks 13,779 does Pretty much this!!!!! Maybe. But you have to remember that since the buck limits were changed dramatically (1998), annual buck harvest numbers have fluctuated by 12,000. In fact, our buck population/age structure--which is at its best point ever--got there even though hunters killed over 87,000+ bucks in 2004 and 06. That's 5 to 6,000 more than we killed last year. Far too much is often made of a single year's--or in this case--a single weapon season's numbers. Maybe last year's 1st MZ numbers are a bad sign and maybe they aren't. We will have to wait and see. For our herd's sake I hope you are right!
Oh I'm not saying the new limits won't do harm, I'm just saying let's let science and the numbers tell is in due time. I fear the new limits will cause harm, but only time will tell. Conjecture can be an inflamatory game...
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#1481393 - 09/01/09 06:51 PM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Something outside the statistical range of normal annual fluctuations in harvest numbers. In essence, up or down a couple thousand is no big deal. More than that might be a big deal. What I'm watching far more closely than just buck harvest numbers is the doe kills in comparison to buck kills.
2007 ML harvest statewide... 13,941 bucks 13,738 does 2008 ML harvest statewide... 21,570 bucks 13,779 does Pretty much this!!!!! Maybe. But you have to remember that since the buck limits were changed dramatically (1998), annual buck harvest numbers have fluctuated by 12,000. In fact, our buck population/age structure--which is at its best point ever--got there even though hunters killed over 87,000+ bucks in 2004 and 06. That's 5 to 6,000 more than we killed last year. Far too much is often made of a single year's--or in this case--a single weapon season's numbers. Maybe last year's 1st MZ numbers are a bad sign and maybe they aren't. We will have to wait and see. For our herd's sake I hope you are right! Oh I'm not saying the new limits won't do harm, I'm just saying let's let science and the numbers tell is in due time. I fear the new limits will cause harm, but only time will tell. Conjecture can be an inflamatory game...
As a whole state, we've come so far in our deer herd and the health of it. I would hate for us to do harm to it for no reason at all!
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#1481506 - 09/01/09 07:55 PM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Let's just keep our fingers crossed.
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#1482031 - 09/02/09 06:40 AM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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As a whole state, we've come so far in our deer herd and the health of it. I would hate for us to do harm to it for no reason at all!
I'm sure there are reasons behind the changes. Although I would also feel comfortable saying these reasons aren't completely about biology. There is more to deer management than just the science of deer. There is also hunter behavior and desires as well. Sometimes changes are for the benefit of the herd while other times changes are for the benefit of hunters.
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#1482034 - 09/02/09 06:40 AM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Let's just keep our fingers crossed.
Absolutely.
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#1482069 - 09/02/09 07:00 AM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Let's just keep our fingers crossed.
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#1482096 - 09/02/09 07:24 AM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Let's just keep our fingers crossed. And rub a rabbits foot,I still can envision Thanksgiving only hunters wiping out a lot of young bucks
We've always had rifle season during Thanksgiving. I don't see why the yearling buck kill during Thanksgiving this year would be any different.
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#1482115 - 09/02/09 07:42 AM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Because you can kill all 3 with one weapon now right?Maybe it won't happen like I think.......
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#1482383 - 09/02/09 09:44 AM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Because you can kill all 3 with one weapon now right?Maybe it won't happen like I think.......
OK, I gotcha...
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#1482399 - 09/02/09 09:53 AM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Because you can kill all 3 with one weapon now right?Maybe it won't happen like I think.......
You were able to kill three with one weapon last year as well.
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