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#1149243 - 01/26/09 06:59 PM Re: Things "newbies" should keep in mind [Re: fishboy1]
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Agreed, very good post! \:\) But in reference to "speed", how fast is too fast and why?

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#1149568 - 01/26/09 09:36 PM Re: Things "newbies" should keep in mind [Re: Yank]
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Fast is TOO fast when accuracy, forgiveness, and noise, (to name a few) are sacrificed to gain the speed.

Remember. SPEED is usually a benefit for mistakes when judging distance. THis is a quality that many competitive archers look for in their set ups. It definitely will give an archer an edge when they make a mistake, say a yard or three, especially at the longer 3-D shoots and smaller x-rings.

The "perfect" set up for 3-D target archery may not be a good set up for actual hunting conditions. Especially when one considers that the average bow killed deer is less than 20 yards away.

At one time, I shot a bow that I thought could never be made. It had a 9.25 inch brace height, and shot my 400 grain hunting arrow at a blazing 270 fps. This was set at 63 pounds draw weight, 33 inch axle to axle, and 75% let off on ONE cam. AMAZINGLY accurate and forgiving bow. I literally could not shoot groups at 35 yards because it was too costly replacing the shot up arrows. It lasted one year before falling apart. THe Company gave me another newer version with a 7 inch brace height. Seems the bow with the 9.25 bracey just would not hold up for anyone. I am still waiting for another company to produce one.

Everyone is wired different. Some people can drive tacks with blazing speed bows and short braceys. I have never met any of those people. Most really good archers I know, (and I know a BUNCH), find the right combination of speed and forgiveness in a bow, and stick to it. For most I know, it is generally around a 7.25-8.25 bracey, and about 260-275 fps with an arrow wt. in the 350-400 gr (total) range. Most use these set-ups for 3-D and hunting.

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#1149581 - 01/26/09 09:40 PM Re: Things "newbies" should keep in mind [Re: 102]
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Speed doesn't matter to me right now. I just want to shoot right now.
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#1152836 - 01/28/09 07:19 PM Re: Things "newbies" should keep in mind [Re: UTGrad]
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Agree completely 102. I shot with an old Hoyt fastflight cranked up to 80 pounds with overdraw. I believed the faster my bow shot, the better the odds of a kill. I found out the hard way though after shooting deer at distances of 15 yards and never finding them. I am not one to give up either. Every deer I have shot with a bow that I didn't see fall, I would look for at least 8 hours even after blood dried up.
The fellow that sold me my bow at Gander Mountain last year (Griz is what they call him) helped explain that it's not about speed when I realized the bow I bought maxed out at 70 pounds.
It's Kenetic Energy. I cant remeber exactly, but he had a useful formula based on arrow length, poundage and broadhead grain that he used to show how much Energy was needed to kill each big game animal found in the world based on body size. If I can find the formula I'll post the formula.
This year was my 18th deer bowhunting and I have killed at least 20 deer with a bow, but I was comletely illiterate to that type of knowledge. I had no Idea.
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#1153693 - 01/29/09 10:13 AM Re: Things "newbies" should keep in mind [Re: stopmount]
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There is a KE calculator on another bow web site.

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#1154192 - 01/29/09 03:07 PM Re: Things "newbies" should keep in mind [Re: 102]
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Today's "speed bows" are much different than the speed bows of the past . There are so many factors in gaining speed without sacrificing forgiveness through riser geometry and cam design , without going to short brace heights . The use of drop away rests and string stoppers even make short brace heights less of a factor .
Speed sells bows , but a well placed arrow is what counts .
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#1154581 - 01/29/09 07:19 PM Re: Things "newbies" should keep in mind [Re: Radar]
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 Originally Posted By: Radar
Today's "speed bows" are much different than the speed bows of the past . There are so many factors in gaining speed without sacrificing forgiveness through riser geometry and cam design , without going to short brace heights . The use of drop away rests and string stoppers even make short brace heights less of a factor .
Speed sells bows , but a well placed arrow is what counts .


Good deal Radar! I was wondering if anybody else even realized this? I currently have two bows shooting in the low 300 fps range and have no trouble shooting 3" groups consistently at 40 yards. And I consider myself an amateur at best yet, I read on here regularly that speed is bad, what gives, why wouldn't newer technology and science make for an accurate speed bow?


There's a lot of nice equipment on the market today for us to reap the benefit of IMO. ;\)
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