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#112347 - 08/14/06 08:09 PM Chessnut oaks ?
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was sitting in my stand last week and noticed an oak within spitting distance. plenty of nuts aboard,but didn't recognize the leaf. after researching have determined specie. got some white oaks around but look kinda sparse. ? being, do deer seek them out? arrowed a doe from this stand last year and never paid any attention to it.thanks for any info !
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#112348 - 08/14/06 08:18 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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While it's not impossible it's highly unlikley you have a nut producing Chestnut tree. They usually die about the time it would produce nuts.

Chestnuts don't look like acorns either. A pic would be good. The leaf of the Chestnut is serrated and the bark of a young tree is smooth.
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#112349 - 08/14/06 08:47 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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nuts look similar to white oak corns. chessnut oaks are very hardy and long lived
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#112350 - 08/14/06 09:25 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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I have not seen too many deer hitting chestnut oak acorns unless its the only thing around in the area I hunt. Also, the chinese chestnut trees we have growing, which have been growing for some 20-25 years at least have produced a healthy mast crop for as long as I can remember. Chestnut Oak and Chestnut trees are two totally different species.
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#112352 - 08/14/06 09:43 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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Chestnut Oaks are the first oaks to drop acorns and some of the best early feed sign you will find is under these trees. I have killed many a deer during early bow season under Chestnut Oaks. Once White and Red Oaks start dropping they become the preferred food source.
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#112353 - 08/14/06 09:46 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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I should itterate though that thats my local herd that don't seem to like them as much.
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#112354 - 08/14/06 10:11 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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Chris I use to hunt the Holmes Creek area of Center Hill Lake in the 80's and the deer there relished Chestnut Oak acorns. I use to key my early and mid archery hunts on Chestnut Oak. If there was Chinqapin acorns we would set up on them. White Oak were almost no exsistant in this area, but if you could find them you were in a honey hole. Red Oaks were more prevelalant and were a good bet latter in the season.
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#112355 - 08/15/06 06:51 AM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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thanks all for the knowledge , my college botany has flown the coup. this particular tree is on the inside of a hardwood edge of old apple orchard and sumac grove. have planted poke berries and rape seed near by. only problem is i can't hunt it until oct. ;\)
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#112356 - 08/15/06 07:38 AM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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Deer will absolutely eat Chestnut oak acorns, its in the white oak family by the way!
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#112357 - 08/15/06 08:32 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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We have more white oaks than anything else right around our family farm. The few chestnut oaks just seem less preferred by the local herd, which the trees may very well be Mountain chestnut oaks, but none the less, just don't see much activity from whitetail around them.
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#112358 - 08/15/06 10:35 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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Originally posted by Chris Tripp:
We have more white oaks than anything else right around our family farm. The few chestnut oaks just seem less preferred by the local herd, which the trees may very well be Mountain chestnut oaks, but none the less, just don't see much activity from whitetail around them.
Chris:
We just had this conversation a few days ago on a different post, and, I'm with you. Winchester says that they eat them big time, but they don't on our place. BSK says that apparently the further East you go in our state, the more these acorns are utilized. But, West of the Tennessee, or at least on 550+ acres in NE Decatur County they don't eat them. They are very prolific, perhaps more so that all of the rest, which matters not, if the deer don't touch them.
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#112359 - 08/16/06 07:29 AM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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The Mountain Chestnut Oak will grow in the very worst soils, hence you often see it on rocky ridge-tops and south-facing slopes. It is also a dominant tree in some eastern mountain areas (poor soils). It produces a huge acorn that generally falls a week to two weeks earlier than White Oak acorns. For that short time period, or where no other oaks exist, Mountain Chestnut Oak acorns will be preferred--again, basically because nothing else in the way of acorns exist at that time.

Now the Swamp Chestnut Oak acorn is highly preferred.
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#112360 - 08/16/06 08:30 AM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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I have seen deer utilize them heavily from East TN to as far west as Humphreys county. BSK is right, they fall first, before the White oaks or Red oaks. When the White oak acorns start falling, all others will be abandoned and the deer will walk right past them, and any other food source to get to good white oak acorns.
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#112361 - 08/16/06 05:27 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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I have seen deer utilize them heavily from East TN to as far west as Humphreys county. BSK is right, they fall first, before the White oaks or Red oaks. When the White oak acorns start falling, all others will be abandoned and the deer will walk right past them, and any other food source to get to good white oak acorns.
Our ridgetops are covered up the those trees, probably as many as any of the other oaks. They may eat them at the initial dropping for the aforementioned reason. However, come January the bare spots on the ridges will still be covered with Chestnut acorns. Everything else is basically gone.
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#112362 - 08/16/06 06:54 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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I will go with the fact they are probably used here for a very short period of time.
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#112363 - 08/17/06 09:05 AM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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Originally posted by Chris Tripp:
I will go with the fact they are probably used here for a very short period of time.
Yup, about two weeks, IF other types of acorns begin to fall at their normal time, especially white oak acorns.
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#112364 - 08/17/06 07:53 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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I have killed deer in late season that were feeding on mountain oak acorns as well as red oaks. If you have a good mast crop year, in late season when the white oaks are pretty much gone you might want to check them MO's and RO's.
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#112365 - 08/18/06 09:26 AM Re: Chessnut oaks ?
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Where I hunt the swamp chestnut oak is preferred over all other oak including white. I know where 2 or 3 produce every year. They are deer magnets.
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#617750 - 02/16/08 05:02 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ? [Re: A/M/G]
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Anybody got a pic of one?
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#617856 - 02/16/08 06:29 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ? [Re: Winchester]
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all the places i hunt with chestnut oaks, the acorns lay on the ground and rot. i have NEVER seen a deer eating them.
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#617908 - 02/16/08 07:19 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ? [Re: ]
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I have saw deer leave white oaks to feed on chestnut oaks. It takes several big frosts to make them more attractive to deer though.
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#618132 - 02/16/08 09:56 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ? [Re: Kentucky Redneck]
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 Originally Posted By: Kentucky Redneck
Chestnut Oaks are the first oaks to drop acorns and some of the best early feed sign you will find is under these trees. I have killed many a deer during early bow season under Chestnut Oaks. Once White and Red Oaks start dropping they become the preferred food source.


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#620044 - 02/18/08 10:01 AM Re: Chessnut oaks ? [Re: ]
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It appears deer in some areas do prefer chestnut oak acorns, especially if no other acorn is available. However, in the majority of areas, the chestnut oak acorn is not at all preferred.

Chestnut Oaks will grow in much poorer soils than other oaks. They often dominate the rockiest soils and south-facing slopes (south-facing slopes are drier and poorer). The best groves of true White Oaks are often found on the moister-soil north-facing slopes.
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#620318 - 02/18/08 01:59 PM Re: Chessnut oaks ? [Re: ]
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It depends on the amount of tannic acid in the acorn. In some areas, deer love them, especially the swamp variety in some areas. In other areas I'n not sure that the deer wouldn't starve to death first. On Cheatham, where the mountain variety grows, deer will eat them until any other oak starts to drop.

Here in Wilson County, at least where I hunt, they scarf them up as soon as they fall and will eat them as long as they fall.

So my conclusion is it is a combination of the variety-swamp or mountain-and the acidity. In parts of AL where I have hunted, the swamp chesnut is by far a preferred source.

Next to the sawtooh oak, as far as I know, they are the earliest to drop mast and the acorn is among the largest of the white oak variety.

And the leaves, when well soaked, make a great, short smoke for a grill.

And that is about all I know or care to know about chestnut oaks. If the deer are eating them, hunt them.
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