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#1108621 - 01/01/09 01:39 PM problems with bow
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I have a Fred Bear Vapor 300 28" draw 70lbs draw wieght with whrisker biscuit. 26" Easton 2312 xx78 super slam with 75grain mini blasters.My bow shoots around 290 fps i have shoot five deers with this setup all less than 30yds without a pass thru granted one of those shots i hit the front shoulder.Out of those five i lost three of them and the one i lost this year was a nice eight and that was final straw. I have the whole thing on video and it makes me sick everytime i watch it i make a great shot right behind the shoulder at 25 yds away but no pass thru bled off and on and never found him cause lack of blood. No doubt he went off and die and it makes me sick. Want some help guys what do i need to change? Is my arrow and boardhead to light of a setup or what.Any advice is greatly appreciated.
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#1108646 - 01/01/09 02:03 PM Re: problems with bow [Re: ]
Radar
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I would switch to longer carbons and a heavier , 100 gr. fixed blade broadhead such as a Slick trick or G5 Striker . I like an arrow from 400-450 gr. for hunting , because it carries more momentum . The additional broadhead weight and better penetrating ability of a fixed blade , along with a thinner carbon shaft should help .
One more thing to consider and is a major factor in penetration is obtaining perfect arrow flight through good tuning .
An arrow that is not flying straight as it enters the deer will squander energy upon impact . The energy must be directly behind the broadhead , because any side to side forces will reduce penetration .
Arrow placement is key to a short bloodtrail. You should strive to take out both lungs . Even if you don't get full penetration , you should be able to recover any deer hit behind the shoulder , given that your broadheads are sharp .
It's hard to place blame on your equipment , unless you work on your tracking skills as well .
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#1108681 - 01/01/09 02:46 PM Re: problems with bow [Re: Radar]
richmanbarbeque
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Great post Radar, I can't add a thing. I would like to see the video. Any way you can post it?
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#1108760 - 01/01/09 04:09 PM Re: problems with bow [Re: ]
BIGORANGE
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 Originally Posted By: grant913
I have a Fred Bear Vapor 300 28" draw 70lbs draw wieght with whrisker biscuit. 26" Easton 2312 xx78 super slam with 75grain mini blasters.My bow shoots around 290 fps i have shoot five deers with this setup all less than 30yds without a pass thru granted one of those shots i hit the front shoulder.Out of those five i lost three of them and the one i lost this year was a nice eight and that was final straw. I have the whole thing on video and it makes me sick everytime i watch it i make a great shot right behind the shoulder at 25 yds away but no pass thru bled off and on and never found him cause lack of blood. No doubt he went off and die and it makes me sick. Want some help guys what do i need to change? Is my arrow and boardhead to light of a setup or what.Any advice is greatly appreciated.


I have to agree with RADAR. I would switch to a carbon arrow and get your arrow weight including broadhead up to 400-450 grains. I personally shoot a carbon express terminator xp select which is 10.6 grains per inch with my 100 grain broadhead it puts my arrow weight in the 420's. With your 28 inch draw you could also increase your arrow length from 26 to 27". If you change to an arrow that is around 10.6 gpi it will get you to the 400+ arrow weight and you will have plenty of kinetic energy. RADAR named two outstanding broadheads in the Slick Trick and G5 Striker. Hope this helps!! \:\)
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#1108771 - 01/01/09 04:21 PM Re: problems with bow [Re: BIGORANGE]
stik
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it wasn't the broadhead. i have shot the 75 gr. miniblasters for 11 yrs. with nothing but spectacular results.
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#1108803 - 01/01/09 04:56 PM Re: problems with bow [Re: stik]
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If any of you guys can tell me how to my video on here i got some get footage not just the eight but others.My video camera is a hifi 8mm. How do i get it on my computer? MY shot placement on all the deers except the one was deadcenter and about two inch behind the shoulder.I have shot my arrows thru paper and seems to tuned well.Well its time for a new string any suggestion there too.

Edited by grant913 (01/01/09 04:57 PM)

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#1108847 - 01/01/09 05:26 PM Re: problems with bow [Re: ]
Radar
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 Originally Posted By: grant913
If any of you guys can tell me how to my video on here i got some get footage not just the eight but others.My video camera is a hifi 8mm. How do i get it on my computer? MY shot placement on all the deers except the one was deadcenter and about two inch behind the shoulder.I have shot my arrows thru paper and seems to tuned well.Well its time for a new string any suggestion there too.


If your shot placement was perfect in the lungs , you should have recovered those deer , even without an exit hole .
I'd have to see your setup before I would place all of the blame on the equipment . Good tracking skills are a must in bowhunting . I have lost deer over the years , but I will never blame my equipment . I just hit them too high in the shoulder or just below the spine . Poor shot placement .
Taking close shots from a steep angle was my fault , and I'm not going to blame the broadhead or my equipment for lack of penetration .
I'm not trying to be hard on you , but you are accountable for your equipment , shot selection , and tracking skills .
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#1109624 - 01/02/09 08:16 AM Re: problems with bow [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
it wasn't the broadhead. i have shot the 75 gr. miniblasters for 11 yrs. with nothing but spectacular results.


ditto on the head i shoot 75 grain ultimate steel heads and never lost one with them

i also shoot a light arrow
total wieght with head being 357 grains
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#1110849 - 01/03/09 08:18 AM Re: problems with bow [Re: POSSUM HUNTER]
Toxophilite Phil
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Shot placement is everything. Along with woodsmanship. If the shots were perfect as you say then you should have meat in the freezer. Tracking is one of the toughest jobs in hunting. You can make a fake blood solution and have some buddies lay some trails for you to practice on. Get in on every blood trail you can. Learn what hurt deer do. It is a hard lesson to learn but it does make you a better hunter in the long run.
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#1110912 - 01/03/09 09:12 AM Re: problems with bow [Re: Toxophilite Phil]
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How long are you waiting after the shot before you go after them?
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