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#1088190 - 12/16/08 09:41 PM Thoughts on a scope
khawk
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I have a 835 ultra mag. I am currently looking at maybe mounting a scope. Pros and cons??
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#1088568 - 12/17/08 07:56 AM Re: Thoughts on a scope [Re: khawk]
turkeyhunter
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I had this same decision to make last season. After some unexplained misses from two seasons ago I decided what the heck. I put a cheap bsa red dot on my 870. It was the best decision I could have made. I researched the pros and cons on here and else where . Most all reports where positive. I was worried about turkeys busting me because of a glare or something. But I never got busted because of a scope. I had 4 kills and 8 assist.
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#1088643 - 12/17/08 08:25 AM Re: Thoughts on a scope [Re: turkeyhunter]
muddyboots
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I put a leupold 1.75 x 6 on my 870 3 years ago because those fiber optic sights kept getting knocked off. Only con i can think of is it makes gun a little heavier but other than that i give it two thumbs up. After initial sight in session I have just shot it once to confirm zero before the season starts and then put x on turkeys waddles and its a done deal.
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#1088675 - 12/17/08 08:38 AM Re: Thoughts on a scope [Re: muddyboots]
Lawrence
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No scope for me! I have never used one
maby thats why
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#1088942 - 12/17/08 10:23 AM Re: Thoughts on a scope [Re: Lawrence]
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A scope/red dot helps in that you can pattern your gun and center the best shot area with the crosshairs/dot. Some guns may have the "meat" of the shot pattern off to the side a bit, low, high, whatever. But if you pattern your gun, zero the scope with the "meat" of the shot pattern you should be good to go!!! I prefer the scope to the red dot because there are no batteries to fail or something happens and the dot won't come on....

If you get them in close and your gun shoots a good pattern, you probably wouldn't need a scope anyway..... I took 4 turkeys last spring with just the factory front bead..... ALL were within 30 yards. I had to make sure I kept my cheek down so as to aim down the barrel and not just aim across the end of the barrel....
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#1090014 - 12/17/08 08:20 PM Re: Thoughts on a scope [Re: ]
TiminTN
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I say do it. I shot and shot for years testing chokes and loads. I sold several screamer guns that shot really high percentage patterns because they would not hit center. Many guns shoot nowhere near center. The scope is adjustable to get you lined up perfect. No drawbacks as far as I`m concerned.

You cannot comprehend the confidence you have when a bird works in when you KNOW you have your equipment sorted out.
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#1090196 - 12/17/08 09:42 PM Re: Thoughts on a scope [Re: TiminTN]
khawk
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I just cant seem to find the good sights like come on the newer model 835's. What are some good aftermarket sights?
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#1090229 - 12/17/08 09:55 PM Re: Thoughts on a scope [Re: khawk]
SHARPSPUR
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I had the same questions a couple years ago. I first put a red-dot on and ended up not liking it due to not having enough light early. I replaced it with a Leupold vx-1 2.7-9x33 and love it. Wouldn't go back.
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#1090922 - 12/18/08 12:18 PM Re: Thoughts on a scope [Re: ]
turkeyhunter
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The red dot type scopes are very easy to see turkeys in thick stuff because there is no magnifcation. As for quick shots a buddy of mine shot one on the fly. You can leave your head up or down. You can open both eyes which I like. I practice with mine, I have people throw cans and what not up and I shoot useing the scope. Once pattern is centered, red dot on target equals death. I even know guys that rabbit hunt with red dot type scopes. All I know is that it helped me. I also can see my reg sights under my scope in bad weather.
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#1100866 - 12/25/08 02:28 PM Re: Thoughts on a scope [Re: turkeyhunter]
Wes Parrish
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I'll prefice my comment by bringing in these quotes from another thread:
 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: captain hook
. . . . I shoot at 25 yards which is where a turkey has to be before I lay him down. Tight patterns at 40 can be wayyyyy too tight for 25 and closer. What is more concerning is the 10 yard shot with a 50 yard pattern.


I totally agree with you on that Captain, and have killed most of mine at 15 to 22 yards over the years, limiting my shots to no more than 35 yards. Most factory "Modified" and/or regular "Full" chokes are just right for these ranges.

IMO, most turkey hunters would actually bag more turkeys if they were NOT using the tightest of tight "turkey" chokes --- mainly because these tight chokes are a handicap at close range, and may encourage many hunters to take longer shots at ranges more difficult to assess, rather than call up or wait on a surer thing, up close and personal.

That said, a true expert and accomplished turkey hunter will sometimes benefit from a choke tighter than factory full, but the hunter needs to do his homework in knowning exactly where his pattern is centered and with which particular loads it works best. But I suspect most hunters are simply being duped out of their money when they think a tighter choke is the magic pill.


The Captain and I have some similar views on "turkey hunting", but we disagree on scopes. That's all right, he'll grow out of it. \:\)

For many years I've used a side by side double as my "turkey gun". With it's factory full choke and 2 3/4" squirrel loads, I've killed as many as a dozen consecutive Toms with a single shot each, and very few others have needed a follow-up shot. But then I limited my shots to 35 yards or less, in part so that when I misjudged range, should the bird actually be at 40 yards, I still had him.

As I've gotten older, my eyes don't focus as well on both the gun barrel, sights, and distant targets. So in Spring 2008 I decided to try a scope on my turkey gun. Couldn't find a competent gunsmith willing to mount a scope on my side by side, so had to buy a new "turkey" gun.

IMO, the gun is not that relavent.
But the Nikon Monarch 1.75X scope is just what the doctor ordered!

I can see clearly now!
Field of view is exceptional and no problem on an up close bird.

I spent several days patterning different loads and sighting it in. Since it has a little tighter choke than my double gun, I would now go out to about 40 yards (or a ranged 45).

In my first turkey season with it (2007), I fired it 3 times and took home 3 mature Toms ---- all killed at under 30 yards.

For me, going to a quality scope was the best thing since sliced bread. I tried a red dot scope and didn't like it. But the low-power Nikon Monarch was just perfect.

And by the way, Captain, I'll probably use the "Modified" choke tube for most of my 2009 turkey hunts. With a precisely centered pattern, I might add. ;\)

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