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#1052803 - 11/26/08 09:43 AM Turkey Chokes
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I have read that no two guns will shoot the exact pattern even using the same choke and loads. My question to you guys shooting an 870 is: What choke tube have you used that gives you the best pattern between 40-50 yards? I know you should try to get them in close but I am just curious.....ALL of my shots this past spring were well within 30 yards but if the time comes for a long shot I don't want to question if I can make a clean kill. I'm looking at others experience before I were buy another choke tube.
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#1053510 - 11/26/08 04:06 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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My buddy has an 870 and he uses a Comp-n-Choke. Very good pattern at 40yds.
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#1053746 - 11/26/08 06:52 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: kdxdude]
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I use a Gobblin Thunder .665 right now and it is awesome at 40 yards but at 45-50 it starts to get scraggly.
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#1054251 - 11/26/08 11:35 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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I would check into a Rhino tube. A buddy of mine uses one in his encore and it is just plain awesome. Everyone on the net says the same. A little pricey at about 100 bux but if you want the pattern its worth it. I am using an Indian Creek in my 835 and it does pretty good. I have been thinking about swapping to the 870 though and if I do I will be getting the rhino as well.
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#1054396 - 11/27/08 07:28 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: chrmayo]
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witch ever choke you get try diff. shot sizes to get your best pattern
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#1054497 - 11/27/08 09:17 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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I shoot an 870 SM and a Rhino .660" with #6 Winchester hi velocity Supreme 2 oz.

I found that Fiocci nickle plated #6 is awesome and inexpensive.

I have a .653" Rhino for it too that shoots the snot out of the Nitro shells, but I bought the triplex loads, and too many #7 1/2`s for my liking.

I like Comp-N-Choke better than Gobblin Thunder tubes, and would like to try an Indian Creek, but just don`t feel like I need one.
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#1054506 - 11/27/08 09:34 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: TiminTN]
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Hastings .640 / Winchester Supreme #4

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#1055196 - 11/27/08 08:27 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: jackscreek]
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Well I like them in close, but just in case...... only reason I'm asking....
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#1055911 - 11/28/08 04:05 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly_Johnson
Well I like them in close, but just in case...


I hear you! I like them in close too, just not too close. But, there is no reason not to make a long distance dial up if you have the right combination to put him down!
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#1063154 - 12/02/08 07:30 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: jackscreek]
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Rhino chokes are awesome, but if you really want to extend your range and/or pattern density, check out Nitro Ammunition's website. This combo is an expensive investment, but has devestating results! I use their hevi shot 4x5x7 in 3" out of my 11-87 paired with a rhino choke and wouldn't even think of trying another shell or choke.
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#1064424 - 12/03/08 10:22 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: wiles]
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Primos tightwad choke tube using #4 Hevi Shot awesome at 40 yards.
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#1065278 - 12/03/08 06:13 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: wiles]
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comp-n-choke xxf with number 6 winchester supreme elite turkey loads... great pattern up to about 65 yards!!
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#1078846 - 12/11/08 01:57 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: duckhunter]
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rhino / nitro combo,,,, 325 + hits in 10 circle at 40 yards
70+ kill hits

strut stopper extreme/ hevi 13 combo,,, 180-190 hits 10 inch circle at 40 yards 30+ kill hits

jelly head/hevi13 combo,,,, 150-160 hits 10 incjh circle 40 yards 15-25 kill hits

xfactor choke win er, hevi 13, remington hevi shot sucked

factory turkey choke and various ammo combos sucked


i spent about 350 bucks with chokes and shells playing with my mossy 835 2 years ago up till this late last winter just before this past springs season, when i just bought a rhino choke and nitro shells like i should have in the 1st place.....




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#1085663 - 12/15/08 09:37 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: renegade50]
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Im in the 360 range with a .660 Rhino and Nitro 4x5x7 hevi shot in my 870 super mag. Like a few others here, Ive spent a small fortune in loads and choke combos and this is by far the deadliest Ive ever shot!
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#1085717 - 12/15/08 10:04 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Huntaholic]
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I sold my friend a factory Remington Super full choke after patterning his gun (Rem 870) at the range with it. It had an excellant pattarn at 50 yards with Winchester #6 Sup. Elite loads.
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#1090238 - 12/17/08 09:58 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: wiles]
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I never pattern my gun at 40 yards, I shoot at 25 yards which is where a turkey has to be before I lay him down. Tight patterns at 40 can be wayyyyy too tight for 25 and closer. What is more concerning is the 10 yard shot with a 50 yard pattern.
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#1090258 - 12/17/08 10:13 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: captain hook]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
I never pattern my gun at 40 yards, I shoot at 25 yards which is where a turkey has to be before I lay him down. Tight patterns at 40 can be wayyyyy too tight for 25 and closer. What is more concerning is the 10 yard shot with a 50 yard pattern.
I don't think they can be too tight at any range, assuming of course, that there is at least some spread from the muzzle diameter. If you put it on his neck or head, you should kill him dead as a hammer, and no matter if you mangle the head or neck. Much better than too open a pattern which puts shot into the body, which for those of us who like turkey breasts without lead is a no-no.
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#1090344 - 12/18/08 05:47 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: 4onaside]
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I shoot a fairly open pattern and rarely have a shot in the breast. However, shooting softballs at 15 yards at an object which never sits still is a recipe for failure.

Wonder why some of the best turkey hunters in the country swear by a modified choke...

I wonder how many would shoot ML or rifles if they were legal?
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#1090551 - 12/18/08 08:32 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: captain hook]
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If I knew that every one that I encountered would be killed at 10 or 15 yards, then modified would be the way to go, because at those ranges the pattern hasn't opened enough to become a " bird" pattern. I'm with you on the distances. My longest has been at 35 yards, and most have been between 25 and 30. And, even with a .665 choke and at 25 yards or so, every now and then a flier will hit the upper breast. I have ordered a .680 choke because I wanted a flush mounted one to shorten the barrel and that's the tightest that I could find in a flush mount.
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#1090691 - 12/18/08 09:53 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: 4onaside]
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I shot this one at about 10 yards and could fit a tennis ball through his neck, so you can go overboard on tight chokes, however there's always those few that hang up at 40-50 yards.

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#1091935 - 12/18/08 11:40 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: holstonangler]
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My Carlson flush mounted choke came today and is now a part of my 870, the barrel now being an inch shorter.
I suppose that I have ample time to pattern it in the next 3 months! lol
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#1100698 - 12/25/08 11:07 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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I personaly shoot a Reminton 870 Express Magnum, Force-it-cone has been lengthened and I shoot a 660 Rhino choke...

I love this gun I have shot turkeys out to 60 yards easy...

As for loads I am not picky...I have never been the one to shoot just one shell type...I just put them in and let it fly...
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#1100852 - 12/25/08 02:06 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: captain hook]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
. . . . I shoot at 25 yards which is where a turkey has to be before I lay him down. Tight patterns at 40 can be wayyyyy too tight for 25 and closer. What is more concerning is the 10 yard shot with a 50 yard pattern.


I totally agree with you on that Captain, and have killed most of mine at 15 to 22 yards over the years, limiting my shots to no more than 35 yards. Most factory "Modified" and/or regular "Full" chokes are just right for these ranges.

IMO, most turkey hunters would actually bag more turkeys if they were NOT using the tightest of tight "turkey" chokes --- mainly because these tight chokes are a handicap at close range, and may encourage many hunters to take longer shots at ranges more difficult to assess, rather than call up or wait on a surer thing, up close and personal.

That said, a true expert and accomplished turkey hunter will sometimes benefit from a choke tighter than factory full, but the hunter needs to do his homework in knowning exactly where his pattern is centered and with which particular loads it works best. But I suspect most hunters are simply being duped out of their money when they think a tighter choke is the magic pill.

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#1100871 - 12/25/08 02:43 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: captain hook
. . . . I shoot at 25 yards which is where a turkey has to be before I lay him down. Tight patterns at 40 can be wayyyyy too tight for 25 and closer. What is more concerning is the 10 yard shot with a 50 yard pattern.


I totally agree with you on that Captain, and have killed most of mine at 15 to 22 yards over the years, limiting my shots to no more than 35 yards. Most factory "Modified" and/or regular "Full" chokes are just right for these ranges.

IMO, most turkey hunters would actually bag more turkeys if they were NOT using the tightest of tight "turkey" chokes --- mainly because these tight chokes are a handicap at close range, and may encourage many hunters to take longer shots at ranges more difficult to assess, rather than call up or wait on a surer thing, up close and personal.

That said, a true expert and accomplished turkey hunter will sometimes benefit from a choke tighter than factory full, but the hunter needs to do his homework in knowning exactly where his pattern is centered and with which particular loads it works best. But I suspect most hunters are simply being duped out of their money when they think a tighter choke is the magic pill.


I agree with the last point you made...You have to educate yourself with your tools...I have shot my gun I don't know how many times...It doesn't matter if the bird is 10 feet or 60 yards its a dead bird...I guess thats the fruits of my labor...You have to shoot your gun to learn what it will do...Shoot...Shoot...Shoot...
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#1101076 - 12/25/08 07:12 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: DBLAARCHERY]
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Kick's .660 and Winchester High Velocity #6's. Awesome combination!
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#1101087 - 12/25/08 07:21 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: FOOTER]
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I shoot a Mossberg 835 with a Nikon 2-7X33 scope with a Rhino choke and Nitro 4x5x7. I've killed turkeys as close at 8 yds. and on out from there. Each to his own but the handicaps are more with the person than the equipment. If you know what your equip. will do and develop a relationship with it when it comes crunch time everything else is second nature. The easiest part of killing a turkey is the shot.
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#1101637 - 12/26/08 05:01 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: KSbuck]
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to each their own
guns are tools to kill with

woodsmanship and knowledge are aquired from time .....

i agree with ks buck in many ways

my setup works for me
i dont need someone telling me about close shots or long shots
or what they think is the only "gospal" way to hunt deer or turkey

not being a smart butt to anyone
this has been debated a million six times

tactics, techniques and procedures
is what it is called it in the army

bottom line is what works for you to kill your game......

i will never slam anyone on their setup or rig and i have said that a million six times also

( even those who shoot a 870 \:D \:D \:D jk remi guys \:D \:D :D)






cant wait for turkey season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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#1101788 - 12/26/08 08:58 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: renegade50]
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 Originally Posted By: renegade50

( even those who shoot a 870 \:D \:D \:D jk remi guys \:D \:D :D)


Easy on the 870...I wouldn't trade mine for anything...Well maybe a black eagle...To be honest I shoot one bird than i use the old stick and string...
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#1103033 - 12/28/08 01:14 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: DBLAARCHERY]
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I own a Mossberg 835, Benelli SBE, Remington 870 Supermag and a Browning Gold 3.5" and nothing will outpattern the Mossberg. Benelli is definitly a great gun and what I use duck hunting, dove hunting etc. Mossberg pattern is best with turkey loads with the Remington close then the Benelli and the Browning the last.
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#1103537 - 12/29/08 12:32 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: KSbuck]
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all the rem. 870 i have shot and seen shot have out patterned all the 835.I killed a lot of turkey with my old 835 but rem. is better from what I have seen.
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#1132963 - 01/16/09 09:01 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: TiminTN]
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 Originally Posted By: TiminTN
I found that Fiocci nickle plated #6 is awesome and inexpensive.
Well, Tim, based on your recommendation, I just ordered about $100 worth of various Fiocci loads for testing. \:\)
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#1133066 - 01/16/09 10:07 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Wes Parrish]
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You will like the nickle plated shells.
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#1133532 - 01/17/09 12:49 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: jackscreek]
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 Originally Posted By: jackscreek
Hastings .640 / Winchester Supreme #4

Remember, the MMEDP (Maximum Manditory Ethical Distance Police) will flog you for shooting at one over X yards!




MMEDP \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D this is about the funniest thing i have seen in awhile!!!!!!!!!!

not to mention if you dont hunt turkeys their way also.....
heaven forbid if you use different aspects of the birds nature and reactions to its day to day envoirment in your tactics to hunt them............


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#1133593 - 01/17/09 01:58 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: bsl]
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Rhino and Nitro 4x5x7 in my 835.Won't nothin else I've ever tried come close!62 longbeards
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#1135369 - 01/19/09 06:28 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Young Buck]
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Does anyone shoot a Pattern Master choke?
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#1145650 - 01/24/09 01:38 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: ]
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guess that was like 10 yds at the most.
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#1147953 - 01/25/09 10:29 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: square]
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 Originally Posted By: square
Does anyone shoot a Pattern Master choke?


I have one for ducks, it's ok..... you looking for one?
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#1148133 - 01/26/09 07:30 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Here is an 870 SPS-T Magnum - Rhino .660 - Nitro 4 x 5 x 7 Hevishot @ 40 yards.
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#1150093 - 01/27/09 08:52 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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I have one that I use for Turkeys. It doesn't get the tight patterns everyone seems to want but does seem to give a uniform pattern from 20 to 40 yds.
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#1150682 - 01/27/09 02:43 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: TiminTN
I found that Fiocci nickle plated #6 is awesome and inexpensive.
Well, Tim, based on your recommendation, I just ordered about $100 worth of various Fiocci loads for testing. \:\)


Let me know how that turns out.... I was just looking at them on Cabela's website myself and comparing them to what I normally use:

12ga - 3.5" - #5 - 2 3/8oz @ 1210fps for $11.99
v/s
12ga - 3.5" - #5 - 2 oz @ 1300fps for $19.99

Looks like I might have to give them a try also!!
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#1151329 - 01/27/09 09:06 PM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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I didn`t know about the 3.5" 2 oz load. I`ll have to try those.
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#1151670 - 01/28/09 07:58 AM Re: Turkey Chokes [Re: TiminTN]
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I'm sorry brother, I left out that the 12ga - 3.5" - #5 - 2 oz @ 1300fps for $19.99 were the Winchester Supreme HiVol shells I normally shoot. Actually found those at Wal-Mart last night for $11.99 a box....
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