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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby catman529 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:32 pm

Thanks yall for the advice and the offers... I got the gun from Muddyboots, gonna get it sighted in soon as possible
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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby Andy S. » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:52 am

^^^Great news, great gun and great guy, you did well Cat!

If muddy never upgraded the trigger spring to a trap sear spring, that would be the first cheap improvement I made to it, and any other 870 you ever own.

There are several to choose from (I suspect they are all basically the same tension) that will drop the trigger pull from approximately 5.5 lbs down to approximately 3.5 lbs. As expected, the more you pull the trigger with the new and improved spring, the "looser" the spring gets, which improves the trigger pull even more over time.

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/F91771

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10055 ... ition-trap

https://www.mcarbo.com/store/p/29-Remin ... g-Kit.aspx

http://erniethegunsmith.com/catalog/i38.html
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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby muddyboots » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:20 am

It’s the stock trigger but I never noticed any excessive pull on it. But that probably would be a worthwhile upgrade. Hope you love the gun cat. It has been a good one for me.
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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby catman529 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:08 am

I have the Mcarbo spring for the 870 in my Pardner. It made no difference in the Pardner. I'll probably take it out and put it in the 870.


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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby Andy S. » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:22 am

catman529 wrote:I have the Mcarbo spring for the 870 in my Pardner. It made no difference in the Pardner.
No difference based on your feel, or did you actually measure it before/after with a trigger pull gauge?
catman529 wrote:I'll probably take it out and put it in the 870.
I would test with gauge first to have a baseline, then see if it is needed, especially if it didn't "feel" any different to you in your previous setup.
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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby catman529 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:27 am

Andy S. wrote:
catman529 wrote:I have the Mcarbo spring for the 870 in my Pardner. It made no difference in the Pardner.
No difference based on your feel, or did you actually measure it before/after with a trigger pull gauge?
catman529 wrote:I'll probably take it out and put it in the 870.
I would test with gauge first to have a baseline, then see if it is needed, especially if it didn't "feel" any different to you in your previous setup.
no different feel, if I can't feel a difference then does it matter? The Pardner is supposed to be an 870 clone, but not all of it is identical, so it might not be compatible with the mcarbo spring. That gun had a very heavy trigger pull with a lot of travel


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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby Andy S. » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:39 am

catman529 wrote: no different feel, if I can't feel a difference then does it matter?
Theoretically, yes, mentally, maybe not so much.
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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby Gravey » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:10 pm

Andy S. wrote:
catman529 wrote: no different feel, if I can't feel a difference then does it matter?
Theoretically, yes, mentally, maybe not so much.

My 870 super mag is not bad at all at least to me. Never felt the need to switch the spring out. Congrats on the new toy. You’ll love it.
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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby catman529 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:12 pm

Gravey wrote:
Andy S. wrote:
catman529 wrote: no different feel, if I can't feel a difference then does it matter?
Theoretically, yes, mentally, maybe not so much.

My 870 super mag is not bad at all at least to me. Never felt the need to switch the spring out. Congrats on the new toy. You’ll love it.
this super mag feels good to me. The trigger could be lightened some, but it's still a lot better than the Pardner.


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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby Spurhunter » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:37 pm

I changed the spring in my 870. I wish I would've checked it before and after. I didn't see a huge difference.


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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby PalsPal » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:53 pm

Spurhunter wrote:I changed the spring in my 870. I wish I would've checked it before and after. I didn't see a huge difference.



It definitely help mine.
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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby Andy S. » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:12 pm

Cat et al.,

I just answered this question in a PM, but thought it would be worthwhile to copy and paste here for others to read that may be interested in it. I was asked whether an 870 20G with a crisp 4# pull would benefit from a "trap sear spring" as I have suggested for years in a dedicated 870 turkey gun. My answer below. All measurements were taken with a Wheeler Professional Digital Trigger Gauge.

To make sure I provided you the best data possible, I just went out to my shop and measured all four 870s trigger pull. The two 12G have had the "trap sear spring" for years with 150+ shots each through them, and the two 20G have had the "trap sear spring" for 2-3 years, with 25-35 shots through each of them.

The two 20G guns consistently pulled a 3lbs 8 oz, or 3.5 lbs, whereas the older "high shot count" 12G guns pulled anywhere from a 2 lbs 4 oz to 2 lbs 10 oz, so basically 2.5 lbs.

As you can see, the more times you pull the trigger and "stretch" the spring, the less resistance you have over time. Basically the more you break it in, the lighter the trigger pull will become. If in a hurry to get a spring broke in, it would make sense for someone to put the new "trap sear spring" in an 870 they shot a lot (skeet, trap, squirrels, doves), and then transfer it to your dedicated turkey gun once it gets broke in.

Hope this helps!

See this link that talks about the three factory springs that Remington sells, and uses in 870s from the factory.

http://www.rem870.com/2016/05/01/reming ... placement/
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Re: In the market for a turkey gun

Postby GOODWIN » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:20 pm

Cut one coil out of my 20ga 870 spring and it definitely lightened it up but still has quite a bit of travel. Modify at your own risk
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